From tomw at pigstye.net Wed Dec 1 08:32:24 2004 From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:32:24 +0000 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins In-Reply-To: <006101c4d74a$09eb3de0$650a10ac@XPBL2> References: <006101c4d74a$09eb3de0$650a10ac@XPBL2> Message-ID: <20041201132611.M41322@pigstye.net> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:04:06 -0500, Blaine Lang wrote > I would like to suggest a common set of CSS declarations that plugins and?GL components would use and it would make it a lot easier for GL site admin's to theme their sites and components. I have been re-working the CSS that I use over and over the past year and have been re-using a more common set of declarations. >??? I say hurrah.? I would even go so far as to suggest a common set of generic templates.? Providing and requiring the use of?a more consistent GUI would make it easier for everyone -?Programmers, Themers?and Users alike.? Of course to?make it work it will have to be well documented. -- Tom Willett tomw at pigstye.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slord at marelina.com Wed Dec 1 12:31:28 2004 From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:31:28 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins In-Reply-To: <20041201132611.M41322@pigstye.net> References: <006101c4d74a$09eb3de0$650a10ac@XPBL2> <20041201132611.M41322@pigstye.net> Message-ID: > I say hurrah.? I would even go so far as to suggest a common set of > generic templates.? Providing and requiring the use of?a more > consistent GUI would make it easier for everyone -?Programmers, > Themers?and Users alike.? Of course to?make it work it will have to be > well documented. The templates already exist. However, no one has the time at the moment to document it all. Dirk is maintaining/supporting it to a degree but I haven't had any free time lately. I've been working with Blaine to help him update the forum and we figured it would be easier to weasel in our efforts slowly by integrating a subset of the work we've done to date on the templates just on the forum specifically. The issue at hand is that maintaining a module as complex as the forum is a real pain in the ass if it's not somehow tied to the theme. What I mean by this is that lots of Geeklog users put some solid hours into designing creative themes only to have that work thoroughly VOIDED by a non compliant module because they are NOT designed to be theme friendly. So Blaine and I spent the better part of a year trying to solve this issue through css. The idea is to *suggest* to module developers to use an approved list of css tags that would be tied into the entire theme. This way simply dropping a new module into any GL installation would result in that module INSTANTLY looking like the current overall theme of the site and saving the site owner hours if not days of hard work. That said, understand that all this work is already done, please don't go and try to create some common set of generic templates and css standards. Blaine and I spent a year doing this already (with Dirk's loving approval). I just need some free time to create a design document for it, hopefully Blaine can create something on a smaller scale for module developers while I author one for theme developers.(?) Maybe during the Holidays? > -- > Tom Willett > tomw at pigstye.net > Sincerely, Simon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2147 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tomw at pigstye.net Wed Dec 1 12:45:03 2004 From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:45:03 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-modules-admin at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-modules-admin at lists.geeklog.net]On Behalf Of Simon Lord Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:31 PM To: geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net Subject: Re: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins I say hurrah. I would even go so far as to suggest a common set of generic templates. Providing and requiring the use of a more consistent GUI would make it easier for everyone - Programmers, Themers and Users alike. Of course to make it work it will have to be well documented. The templates already exist. However, no one has the time at the moment to document it all. Dirk is maintaining/supporting it to a degree but I haven't had any free time lately. I've been working with Blaine to help him update the forum and we figured it would be easier to weasel in our efforts slowly by integrating a subset of the work we've done to date on the templates just on the forum specifically. The issue at hand is that maintaining a module as complex as the forum is a real pain in the ass if it's not somehow tied to the theme. What I mean by this is that lots of Geeklog users put some solid hours into designing creative themes only to have that work thoroughly VOIDED by a non compliant module because they are NOT designed to be theme friendly. So Blaine and I spent the better part of a year trying to solve this issue through css. The idea is to *suggest* to module developers to use an approved list of css tags that would be tied into the entire theme. This way simply dropping a new module into any GL installation would result in that module INSTANTLY looking like the current overall theme of the site and saving the site owner hours if not days of hard work. That said, understand that all this work is already done, please don't go and try to create some common set of generic templates and css standards. Blaine and I spent a year doing this already (with Dirk's loving approval). I just need some free time to create a design document for it, hopefully Blaine can create something on a smaller scale for module developers while I author one for theme developers.(?) Maybe during the Holidays? -- Tom Willett tomw at pigstye.net Sincerely, Simon Maybe you misunderstood, I was simply saying that I applaud the effort to make things easier and more uniform and encouraging more such work. Excuse if I hit a hot button. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slord at marelina.com Wed Dec 1 13:25:54 2004 From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:25:54 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FECEAD8-43C6-11D9-B7FC-003065C030F2@marelina.com> No hot button Tom, more of a panic button. You saw through our efforts before we intended to release them and I just wanted to prevent any enterprising pups from interpreting your post as something which hasn't been done and going off on a tangent and doing something about it. So, no ill will towards you or your post. And I'm not suggesting *you* would start an effort to create a common template, but you really read through the lines on Blaine's post quite easily, and followed that up with such a clear response that you pretty much outted us before we were ready to present our efforts. I guess that's the point I was trying to make. But I suck at writing clearly so there ya go. On Dec 1, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Tom wrote: > ? > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-modules-admin at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-modules-admin at lists.geeklog.net]On Behalf Of Simon > Lord > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:31 PM > To: geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; > geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net; geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net > Subject: Re: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins > > I say hurrah.? I would even go so far as to suggest a common set of > generic templates.? Providing and requiring the use of?a more > consistent GUI would make it easier for everyone -?Programmers, > Themers?and Users alike.? Of course to?make it work it will have to be > well documented. > > The templates already exist. However, no one has the time at the > moment to document it all. Dirk is maintaining/supporting it to a > degree but I haven't had any free time lately. I've been working with > Blaine to help him update the forum and we figured it would be easier > to weasel in our efforts slowly by integrating a subset of the work > we've done to date on the templates just on the forum specifically. > > The issue at hand is that maintaining a module as complex as the forum > is a real pain in the ass if it's not somehow tied to the theme. What > I mean by this is that lots of Geeklog users put some solid hours into > designing creative themes only to have that work thoroughly VOIDED by > a non compliant module because they are NOT designed to be theme > friendly. So Blaine and I spent the better part of a year trying to > solve this issue through css. > > The idea is to *suggest* to module developers to use an approved list > of css tags that would be tied into the entire theme. This way simply > dropping a new module into any GL installation would result in that > module INSTANTLY looking like the current overall theme of the site > and saving the site owner hours if not days of hard work. > > That said, understand that all this work is already done, please don't > go and try to create some common set of generic templates and css > standards. Blaine and I spent a year doing this already (with Dirk's > loving approval). I just need some free time to create a design > document for it, hopefully Blaine can create something on a smaller > scale for module developers while I author one for theme > developers.(?) > > Maybe during the Holidays? > > > -- > Tom Willett > tomw at pigstye.net > > Sincerely, > Simon > ? > Maybe you misunderstood, I was simply saying that I applaud the effort > to make things easier and more uniform and encouraging more such > work.? Excuse if I hit a hot button.? > Sincerely, Simon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tomw at pigstye.net Wed Dec 1 13:48:24 2004 From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:48:24 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Suggested CSS standards for plugins In-Reply-To: <6FECEAD8-43C6-11D9-B7FC-003065C030F2@marelina.com> Message-ID: Simon says: No hot button Tom, more of a panic button. You saw through our efforts before we intended to release them and I just wanted to prevent any enterprising pups from interpreting your post as something which hasn't been done and going off on a tangent and doing something about it. So, no ill will towards you or your post. And I'm not suggesting *you* would start an effort to create a common template, but you really read through the lines on Blaine's post quite easily, and followed that up with such a clear response that you pretty much outted us before we were ready to present our efforts. I guess that's the point I was trying to make. But I suck at writing clearly so there ya go. --------------------- Sorry to out you prematurely -- I thought it was obvious what you were up to. But then we all don't see things the same, thankfully. Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonybibbs.com Thu Dec 9 15:18:02 2004 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:18:02 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request Message-ID: <41B8B2FA.3060706@tonybibbs.com> I have a strong need for the ability for one registered use of the forum to ignore another user of the forum. As you know, banning techniques aren't that great so if I had this tool, my members could simply click a link to ignore someone. Only issue would be preventing somone from posting a link that would inadvertently force someone to be ignored. And, to that point, this must allow the ability to unban someone. This is less important for the 1.3.x core, IMHO, but might be desireable for others there as well. --Tony From geeklog at langfamily.ca Thu Dec 9 15:37:23 2004 From: geeklog at langfamily.ca (Blaine Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:37:23 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request References: <41B8B2FA.3060706@tonybibbs.com> Message-ID: <041e01c4de2e$e39bb1b0$650a10ac@XPBL2> Tony, Gee and I thought you ran a very civilized forum of members over there :) I've seen this implemented where members can report abusive post - via a link by the topic. >From there I guess the moderator can ban a member from just that forum or possibly only have the option for all forums. I would think this would work in addition to the IP banning but be by member uid. Yes, as like the IP banning, you need to be able to remove the banished member. Would you see a need to have the option where you only ban a member uid and not an IP ? Or track them both and use both items (either OR) to test against when posting? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Bibbs" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request I have a strong need for the ability for one registered use of the forum to ignore another user of the forum. As you know, banning techniques aren't that great so if I had this tool, my members could simply click a link to ignore someone. Only issue would be preventing somone from posting a link that would inadvertently force someone to be ignored. And, to that point, this must allow the ability to unban someone. This is less important for the 1.3.x core, IMHO, but might be desireable for others there as well. --Tony _______________________________________________ geeklog-modules mailing list geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules From tony at tonybibbs.com Thu Dec 9 20:13:25 2004 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:13:25 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request In-Reply-To: <041e01c4de2e$e39bb1b0$650a10ac@XPBL2> References: <41B8B2FA.3060706@tonybibbs.com> <041e01c4de2e$e39bb1b0$650a10ac@XPBL2> Message-ID: <41B8F835.9050507@tonybibbs.com> I'm going a step further...I want members to be able to permanently ignore other member's posts. The ignore list must be editable by the user so they can undo any mistakes. An added feature would be to show members how many users are ignoring them....then maybe a few members will take the hint. --Tony Blaine Lang wrote: >Tony, > >Gee and I thought you ran a very civilized forum of members over there :) > >I've seen this implemented where members can report abusive post - via a >link by the topic. >>From there I guess the moderator can ban a member from just that forum or >possibly only have the option for all forums. > >I would think this would work in addition to the IP banning but be by member >uid. >Yes, as like the IP banning, you need to be able to remove the banished >member. > >Would you see a need to have the option where you only ban a member uid and >not an IP ? >Or track them both and use both items (either OR) to test against when >posting? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Bibbs" >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:18 PM >Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request > > >I have a strong need for the ability for one registered use of the forum >to ignore another user of the forum. As you know, banning techniques >aren't that great so if I had this tool, my members could simply click a >link to ignore someone. > >Only issue would be preventing somone from posting a link that would >inadvertently force someone to be ignored. And, to that point, this >must allow the ability to unban someone. This is less important for the >1.3.x core, IMHO, but might be desireable for others there as well. > >--Tony >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > > From geeklog at langfamily.ca Thu Dec 9 22:02:33 2004 From: geeklog at langfamily.ca (Blaine Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:02:33 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request References: <41B8B2FA.3060706@tonybibbs.com> <041e01c4de2e$e39bb1b0$650a10ac@XPBL2> <41B8F835.9050507@tonybibbs.com> Message-ID: <18b701c4de64$b223c100$650a10ac@XPBL2> I will add it this to my list - I can see this being handy for large public lists but almost see a need for a generic plugin to allow members to manage their buddy/ignore lists. Maybe it's just something that is built into the forum and I have been thinking of adding API hooks so that certain forum features could be extended, integrated/replaced or exposed to other plugins. - BB_Code parsing - Smilies - Private Messenger - Attachment Mgmt - Filtering of posts (HTML, SPAM etc) - Rich Text Editor - Buddy/Ignore List Mgmt I have a pretty extensive list of items for my next version so we'll see how it goes. Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Bibbs" To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [geeklog-modules] Forum request I'm going a step further...I want members to be able to permanently ignore other member's posts. The ignore list must be editable by the user so they can undo any mistakes. An added feature would be to show members how many users are ignoring them....then maybe a few members will take the hint. --Tony Blaine Lang wrote: >Tony, > >Gee and I thought you ran a very civilized forum of members over there :) > >I've seen this implemented where members can report abusive post - via a >link by the topic. >>From there I guess the moderator can ban a member from just that forum or >possibly only have the option for all forums. > >I would think this would work in addition to the IP banning but be by >member >uid. >Yes, as like the IP banning, you need to be able to remove the banished >member. > >Would you see a need to have the option where you only ban a member uid and >not an IP ? >Or track them both and use both items (either OR) to test against when >posting? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Bibbs" >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:18 PM >Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request > > >I have a strong need for the ability for one registered use of the forum >to ignore another user of the forum. As you know, banning techniques >aren't that great so if I had this tool, my members could simply click a >link to ignore someone. > >Only issue would be preventing somone from posting a link that would >inadvertently force someone to be ignored. And, to that point, this >must allow the ability to unban someone. This is less important for the >1.3.x core, IMHO, but might be desireable for others there as well. > >--Tony >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > > _______________________________________________ geeklog-modules mailing list geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules From tony at tonybibbs.com Thu Dec 9 22:09:34 2004 From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:09:34 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request In-Reply-To: <18b701c4de64$b223c100$650a10ac@XPBL2> References: <41B8B2FA.3060706@tonybibbs.com> <041e01c4de2e$e39bb1b0$650a10ac@XPBL2> <41B8F835.9050507@tonybibbs.com> <18b701c4de64$b223c100$650a10ac@XPBL2> Message-ID: <41B9136E.9030106@tonybibbs.com> Yeah, I got a few hicks working a nerve. They aren't bad enough to ban but I'd sure like to avoid the 'noise' if you know what I mean. --Tony Blaine Lang wrote: >I will add it this to my list - I can see this being handy for large public >lists but almost see a need for a generic plugin to allow members to manage >their buddy/ignore lists. Maybe it's just something that is built into the >forum and I have been thinking of adding API hooks so that certain forum >features could be extended, integrated/replaced or exposed to other plugins. > > - BB_Code parsing > - Smilies > - Private Messenger > - Attachment Mgmt > - Filtering of posts (HTML, SPAM etc) > - Rich Text Editor > - Buddy/Ignore List Mgmt > >I have a pretty extensive list of items for my next version so we'll see how >it goes. > >Blaine >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Bibbs" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:13 PM >Subject: Re: [geeklog-modules] Forum request > > >I'm going a step further...I want members to be able to permanently >ignore other member's posts. The ignore list must be editable by the >user so they can undo any mistakes. An added feature would be to show >members how many users are ignoring them....then maybe a few members >will take the hint. > >--Tony > >Blaine Lang wrote: > > > >>Tony, >> >>Gee and I thought you ran a very civilized forum of members over there :) >> >>I've seen this implemented where members can report abusive post - via a >>link by the topic. >>>From there I guess the moderator can ban a member from just that forum or >>possibly only have the option for all forums. >> >>I would think this would work in addition to the IP banning but be by >>member >>uid. >>Yes, as like the IP banning, you need to be able to remove the banished >>member. >> >>Would you see a need to have the option where you only ban a member uid and >>not an IP ? >>Or track them both and use both items (either OR) to test against when >>posting? >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tony Bibbs" >>To: ; >>Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 3:18 PM >>Subject: [geeklog-modules] Forum request >> >> >>I have a strong need for the ability for one registered use of the forum >>to ignore another user of the forum. As you know, banning techniques >>aren't that great so if I had this tool, my members could simply click a >>link to ignore someone. >> >>Only issue would be preventing somone from posting a link that would >>inadvertently force someone to be ignored. And, to that point, this >>must allow the ability to unban someone. This is less important for the >>1.3.x core, IMHO, but might be desireable for others there as well. >> >>--Tony >>_______________________________________________ >>geeklog-modules mailing list >>geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules >> >>_______________________________________________ >>geeklog-modules mailing list >>geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > >_______________________________________________ >geeklog-modules mailing list >geeklog-modules at lists.geeklog.net >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-modules > >