From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Mon Feb 1 10:21:22 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:21:22 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112295@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > * Instead of the existing, and complicated Unix bits, you give the > user a dropdown Everyone | Logged In Users | My Friends Only | > Other... | Private. Other would allow them to pick a different <> > social network model users would just have "friend requests" and > acceptances/rejections. I think a simpler way to explain this is to have something like "organic groups". This is something that another "competitive" platform has. This way users can create their own social groups and add/remove permissions and view to their stories/static pages etc based on those groups. This is a concept that would be a foundation for more social applications for GL. Creating the social group concept would have to extend into the core plugins then and also will have ramifications on the search ability. This alone would be a GSOC project. From joe at ThrowingDice.com Mon Feb 1 21:59:23 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:59:23 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112295@nex-pluto.nextide.c a> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112295@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <0KX7005P81N7VDY0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 10:21 AM 2/1/2010, Randy Kolenko wrote: > > * Instead of the existing, and complicated Unix bits, you give the > > user a dropdown Everyone | Logged In Users | My Friends Only | > > Other... | Private. Other would allow them to pick a different ><> > > social network model users would just have "friend requests" and > > acceptances/rejections. > > >I think a simpler way to explain this is to have something like "organic >groups". This is something that another "competitive" platform has. >This way users can create their own social groups and add/remove >permissions and view to their stories/static pages etc based on those >groups. >This is a concept that would be a foundation for more social >applications for GL. You snipped off the part where I said users could create their own ad hoc groups. The drop list I was talking about is sort of Facebook based. You can create subgroups of your friends and then assign permissions to your subgroups. That is what "Other..." does. Other pops up a screen with any groups you have created and lets you select one, or you can click new group and it let's you create a new group on the spot. But the friendship requirement is necessary. I think it is the best way to maintain privacy. Before I can add you to one of my groups we have to be friends. Friendship is a two-way street. If I am refuse to be your friend, you cannot add me to your ad hoc groups. And ultimately, you cannot stalk me. Maximizing user privacy in the face of social networking sounds like an oxymoron but it should probably be extremely high on the priority list of Geeklog given its reputation for security. >Creating the social group concept would have to extend into the core >plugins then and also will have ramifications on the search ability. >This alone would be a GSOC project. The first project is to make the gl_groups table have a grp_owner number(8) and to get core to understand how that works. The grp_gl_core field would probably be expanded to include 2 = Hidden user group (for the system generated groups) and 3 = user group (which the user can create/destroy/modify at will). After that it is mostly interface stuff since the core permissions stuff doesn't care who edited the group just who belongs to it. I suppose some performance testing might be needed as the number of groups someone can belong to grows. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.142). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Tue Feb 2 10:56:03 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:56:03 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112297@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > The first project is to make the gl_groups table have a grp_owner > number(8) and to get core to understand how that works. The > grp_gl_core field would probably be expanded to include 2 = Hidden > user group (for the system generated groups) and 3 = user group > (which the user can create/destroy/modify at will). After that it is > mostly interface stuff since the core permissions stuff doesn't care > who edited the group just who belongs to it. I suppose some > performance testing might be needed as the number of groups someone > can belong to grows. Good ideas. SO that brings us to the inevitable question: Should this really be an extension of core or should this really be a social plugin base. Due to Geeklog's innards as they currently are, an extension of the core is the most likely route. However I would rather see people be able to plug in functionality rather than drag it along with them. Going towards a hook based style of interface for other plugins to use, the social plugin base could have the ability to front-end things like the search for any plugin that requires social groups and security around that plugin's content. I haven't thought about this enough to think about how other existing plugins could use a social plugin properly (that is, without having to re-code an entire plugin). But having the ability for a plugin's abilities to be additive to other plugins would be a start. You could "enable" the social plugin for other plugins to use. This implies a "type" of plugin going forward that needs to implement the hooks properly for other plugins to adhere to. But I digress..... From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 2 16:07:27 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:07:27 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112297@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F112297@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100202210727.241165701@smtp.haun-online.de> Randy Kolenko wrote: >However I would rather see people be able to plug in functionality >rather than drag it along with them. I'm all for making things pluggable as much as possible. But I guess some core changes are inevitable here. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From rob.howard at kwfs.info Wed Feb 3 17:33:16 2010 From: rob.howard at kwfs.info (Rob Howard - KWFS) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:33:16 -0000 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Redirect after login In-Reply-To: <20100118185629.340700247@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20091126205320.678643612@smtp.haun-online.de> <20091126223308.7d097c8c@bogo. home.cweiske.de> <20100117180911.532343005@smtp.haun-online.de> <2010011720184 9.26479eb3@bogo.home.cweiske.de> <20100117204713.1504078787@smtp.haun-online.de> <006301ca9844$bf7340c0$3e59c240$@net> <20100118185629.340700247@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: I think the login re-direct process could be made alot more complex rather than just remaining on the same page after login perhaps in the next version of geeklog there could be an option in the configuration to allow you to re-direct to static page perhaps. Maybe something that can be done in the Summer of Code? -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun Sent: 18 January 2010 18:56 To: geeklog-devel Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Redirect after login Tom wrote: >The only case I can think of at the moment (which a client brought up >recently) was that if a user tried to access something they did not have >access too they would be redirected to a page (maybe a staticpage, story, >login form with a staticpage on top that contains a message) that explains >the benefits of registering on the site. The login form uses a template, so such a message could be added there. Actually, preparing the login form should call CUSTOM_templateSetVars() so that you can define your own template variables. I'll add that. With the proposed change, Geeklog would stop using the submit/ submitloginrequired.thtml template file altogether and instead use users/ loginform.thtml bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 5 17:12:10 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:12:10 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan Message-ID: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> So the search for a new name hasn't really made any progress (not really unexpected). But there's something else that we should be able to fix more easily: Geeklog's slogan. As stated elsewhere, I was never really happy with that slogan. Initially, because of its claim ("ultimate", i.e. there can't be anything better - isn't that a tad presumptuous?). And these days, when somebody heard this slogan, they would most likely associate it with some other system (starts with a 'W'). So we need something else. I think that instead of claiming something that we aren't, we should go with something descriptive (which, I would hope, could also help overcome any aversion against The Name). So the slogan should express - what it does - why you should choose it over something else The ultimate [yep] plain and simple slogan for a CMS (IMHO, FWIW, anyway) would be "Software to build websites with" But that one's already taken: Dries Buytaert used it in his 2009 FrOSCon keynote (for Drupal, of course). However, that's the general direction I think we should be going. So here are some lame attempts of my own: Publish your stuff. Securily. Build a Website, securily. Web Publishing - reliable and secure. So for me, the answer to the 2 above questions is that "it's something that lets you build a website" and "it's safe, you won't get hacked every other week". Yes, I realize "your stuff" is not really printable. It was just to get me in the mood of thinking in a certain direction: This is an elevator pitch to the extreme. Or think of it as a Twitter post with 40-60 characters max. So, who can come up with something better? And to make it more interesting, I'll throw in a t-shirt[1] for the winner :) bye, Dirk [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguary/4060943454/ -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Fri Feb 5 19:12:12 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:12:12 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <00c001caa6c1$07bbfd60$1733f820$@net> Purely from a SEO stand point, having keywords people use to search for content management systems would help. So I think we should try to work in the words "CMS" or "website" (any others???) into the Geeklog slogan. Tom PS Here are a quick few I came up with... Geeklog - A Content Management System with Security in mind. Geeklog - The Open Source CMS Solution. Geeklog - Manage your Content Securely. or taken straight from our meta tags title (a little long at 65 characters) Geeklog - An open source Content Management System designed with security in mind. -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun Sent: February-05-10 5:12 PM To: geeklog-devel Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan So the search for a new name hasn't really made any progress (not really unexpected). But there's something else that we should be able to fix more easily: Geeklog's slogan. As stated elsewhere, I was never really happy with that slogan. Initially, because of its claim ("ultimate", i.e. there can't be anything better - isn't that a tad presumptuous?). And these days, when somebody heard this slogan, they would most likely associate it with some other system (starts with a 'W'). So we need something else. I think that instead of claiming something that we aren't, we should go with something descriptive (which, I would hope, could also help overcome any aversion against The Name). So the slogan should express - what it does - why you should choose it over something else The ultimate [yep] plain and simple slogan for a CMS (IMHO, FWIW, anyway) would be "Software to build websites with" But that one's already taken: Dries Buytaert used it in his 2009 FrOSCon keynote (for Drupal, of course). However, that's the general direction I think we should be going. So here are some lame attempts of my own: Publish your stuff. Securily. Build a Website, securily. Web Publishing - reliable and secure. So for me, the answer to the 2 above questions is that "it's something that lets you build a website" and "it's safe, you won't get hacked every other week". Yes, I realize "your stuff" is not really printable. It was just to get me in the mood of thinking in a certain direction: This is an elevator pitch to the extreme. Or think of it as a Twitter post with 40-60 characters max. So, who can come up with something better? And to make it more interesting, I'll throw in a t-shirt[1] for the winner :) bye, Dirk [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguary/4060943454/ -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4839 (20100205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4839 (20100205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Fri Feb 5 19:54:57 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:54:57 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35705D@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom [mailto:websitemaster at cogeco.net] > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:12 PM > To: 'Geeklog Development' > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan > > Purely from a SEO stand point, having keywords people use to search for > content management systems would help. > > So I think we should try to work in the words "CMS" or "website" (any > others???) into the Geeklog slogan. > > Tom > > PS Here are a quick few I came up with... > > Geeklog - A Content Management System with Security in mind. > Geeklog - The Open Source CMS Solution. > Geeklog - Manage your Content Securely. > > or taken straight from our meta tags title (a little long at 65 > characters) > > Geeklog - An open source Content Management System designed with > security in > mind. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun > Sent: February-05-10 5:12 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan > > So the search for a new name hasn't really made any progress (not > really > unexpected). But there's something else that we should be able to fix > more easily: Geeklog's slogan. > > As stated elsewhere, I was never really happy with that slogan. > Initially, because of its claim ("ultimate", i.e. there can't be > anything better - isn't that a tad presumptuous?). And these days, when > somebody heard this slogan, they would most likely associate it with > some other system (starts with a 'W'). > > So we need something else. > > I think that instead of claiming something that we aren't, we should go > with something descriptive (which, I would hope, could also help > overcome any aversion against The Name). So the slogan should express > > - what it does > - why you should choose it over something else > > The ultimate [yep] plain and simple slogan for a CMS (IMHO, FWIW, > anyway) would be > > "Software to build websites with" > > But that one's already taken: Dries Buytaert used it in his 2009 > FrOSCon > keynote (for Drupal, of course). > > However, that's the general direction I think we should be going. So > here are some lame attempts of my own: > > Publish your stuff. Securily. > Build a Website, securily. > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > So for me, the answer to the 2 above questions is that "it's something > that lets you build a website" and "it's safe, you won't get hacked > every other week". > > Yes, I realize "your stuff" is not really printable. It was just to get > me in the mood of thinking in a certain direction: This is an elevator > pitch to the extreme. Or think of it as a Twitter post with 40-60 > characters max. > > So, who can come up with something better? > > And to make it more interesting, I'll throw in a t-shirt[1] for the > winner > :) > > bye, Dirk > > [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguary/4060943454/ > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4839 (20100205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4839 (20100205) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From cordiste at free.fr Sat Feb 6 07:58:43 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:58:43 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35705D@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35705D@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <364575ed1002060458n4f31e4o211c51d4610a84ab@mail.gmail.com> Geeklog - CMS to build your website I really need a new t-shirt :) ::Ben 2010/2/6 Randy Kolenko > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom [mailto:websitemaster at cogeco.net] > > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:12 PM > > To: 'Geeklog Development' > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan > > > > Purely from a SEO stand point, having keywords people use to search > for > > content management systems would help. > > > > So I think we should try to work in the words "CMS" or "website" (any > > others???) into the Geeklog slogan. > > > > Tom > > > > PS Here are a quick few I came up with... > > > > Geeklog - A Content Management System with Security in mind. > > Geeklog - The Open Source CMS Solution. > > Geeklog - Manage your Content Securely. > > > > or taken straight from our meta tags title (a little long at 65 > > characters) > > > > Geeklog - An open source Content Management System designed with > > security in > > mind. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk > Haun > > Sent: February-05-10 5:12 PM > > To: geeklog-devel > > Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan > > > > So the search for a new name hasn't really made any progress (not > > really > > unexpected). But there's something else that we should be able to fix > > more easily: Geeklog's slogan. > > > > As stated elsewhere, I was never really happy with that slogan. > > Initially, because of its claim ("ultimate", i.e. there can't be > > anything better - isn't that a tad presumptuous?). And these days, > when > > somebody heard this slogan, they would most likely associate it with > > some other system (starts with a 'W'). > > > > So we need something else. > > > > I think that instead of claiming something that we aren't, we should > go > > with something descriptive (which, I would hope, could also help > > overcome any aversion against The Name). So the slogan should express > > > > - what it does > > - why you should choose it over something else > > > > The ultimate [yep] plain and simple slogan for a CMS (IMHO, FWIW, > > anyway) would be > > > > "Software to build websites with" > > > > But that one's already taken: Dries Buytaert used it in his 2009 > > FrOSCon > > keynote (for Drupal, of course). > > > > However, that's the general direction I think we should be going. So > > here are some lame attempts of my own: > > > > Publish your stuff. Securily. > > Build a Website, securily. > > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > > > So for me, the answer to the 2 above questions is that "it's something > > that lets you build a website" and "it's safe, you won't get hacked > > every other week". > > > > Yes, I realize "your stuff" is not really printable. It was just to > get > > me in the mood of thinking in a certain direction: This is an elevator > > pitch to the extreme. Or think of it as a Twitter post with 40-60 > > characters max. > > > > So, who can come up with something better? > > > > And to make it more interesting, I'll throw in a t-shirt[1] for the > > winner > > :) > > > > bye, Dirk > > > > [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguary/4060943454/ > > > > > > -- > > http://www.geeklog.net/ > > http://geeklog.info/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 4839 (20100205) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 4839 (20100205) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Sat Feb 6 11:40:22 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:40:22 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002060458n4f31e4o211c51d4610a84ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35705D@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <364575ed1002060458n4f31e4o211c51d4610a84ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100206164022.372469985@smtp.haun-online.de> cordiste wrote: >I really need a new t-shirt :) In that case, you could also try and help out the fine folks of Mercurial: ;-) bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Sun Feb 7 14:34:21 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:34:21 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> As a reminder: Organizations can apply for participation in GSoC 2010 from March 8 on. That's 4 weeks from now. We should have a good list of fleshed-out project ideas by then. What we have at the moment isn't so great, IMO ... http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/GSoC_Brainstorming Thanks to those who are willing to mentor. We could use a few more people, though. Please apply within :) bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 8 11:26:32 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus Wollschlaeger) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:26:32 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim Message-ID: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> When evaluating which "slogan" or rather "claim" is best one should understand how this stuff is being used. A claim points out the key value or advantage of the product. The one which differentiates it from the rest. This is NOT the best claim also not for Drupal: 'Software to build websites with' because it does not differentiate enough. There are more than 100 competitors on opensourcecms.com , they all could say the same plus readymade websitebuilder plans. --> So this would be step no1, what is the key advantage over other systems? I`d say reliability, security, professional code. Actually, I had been going through this process in July 2007 before the FrosCon 2007 fair: http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/2007-July/002099.html Here the flyer and the preflight states again: http://www.hallomarkus.de/copy/geeklog-flyer-original-screen.pdf http://www.hallomarkus.de/copy/geeklog2-pre-tests.pdf ====== some more explanation =========== A claim does not need to explain the brand name or the function! It only transmits the key idea / advantage. Lets imagine someone roughly knows what a CMS is and finds this: http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=1&cat=CMS%20/%20Portals So here we start and then 'Geeklog - main advantage' makes sense. You cannot expect complete newbees to understand Geeklog - main advantage- that would be too much of an explantion. Another famous example is 'Xerox - the document company'. You don`t understand that either if you have never seen a fax, copier etc. Off course a name change like GeeklogCMS, GeeCMS, gCMS or G-blog-CMS could help to make it easier to understand what Geeklog is. But this is another topic I tried to discuss here: http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/2008-April/003393.html http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=80628&mode=&show=20 Further steps would be how to verbally and visually transmit this key idea. It is better to split these things up. Ciao, Markus -- GRATIS f?r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 8 16:21:51 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:21:51 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind mambo anyway. From websitemaster at cogeco.net Mon Feb 8 18:22:27 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:22:27 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> So here are the slogans suggested so far: CMS to build your website Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security A Content Management System with Security in mind. The Open Source CMS Solution. Manage your Content Securely. Publish your stuff. Securely. Build a Website, securely. Web Publishing - reliable and secure. Any other ideas? Here are few more from me. Reliable and Secure CMS Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS Content Publishing Software So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the best (and not because I suggested it!) Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind mambo anyway. _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4849 (20100208) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4849 (20100208) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From info at heatherengineering.com Mon Feb 8 19:24:41 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:24:41 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> Message-ID: > The Open Source CMS Solution. I think this is a good description, but solution to what? > The Open Source CMS. This says just as much I think. But it doesn't differentiate us from any other open source CMS. Security is, and always has been, the main feature of Geeklog. I think that should be in there somewhere. Building on everyone's contributions so far, a few more ideas: Open source + Security = Geeklog (leaves open lots of "=Geeklog" options.) Open source security (but what is it?) Open and secure (contradictory?) Geeklog. The secure solution. (full stop included) (but what is it?) Geeklog. The secure choice. (full stop included) (choice for what?) Geeklog. The secure CMS. (full stop included) <---- I like this one. "Geeklog. The secure CMS." tells you the name, the main feature, and what it is. And the full stop tells you that there is nothing more to say on the matter. Look no further. Cheers, Euan. ----------------------------------------------------- Euan McKay Heather Engineering http://www.heatherengineering.com/ info at heatherengineering.com On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 08:22, Tom wrote: > So here are the slogans suggested so far: > > > CMS to build your website > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > A Content Management System with Security in mind. > The Open Source CMS Solution. > Manage your Content Securely. > Publish your stuff. Securely. > Build a Website, securely. > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > Any other ideas? > > Here are few more from me. > > Reliable and Secure CMS > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS > Content Publishing Software > > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the > best (and not because I suggested it!) > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM > To: Geeklog Development > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 > > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind > mambo anyway. > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From sc1245 at messiah.edu Mon Feb 8 21:39:02 2010 From: sc1245 at messiah.edu (Sean Clark) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:39:02 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim Message-ID: <4B708476020000CB0002AA76@gwia.messiah.edu> One concept my marketing professors have emphasized is to describe what benefits a product brings to a user, rather than just what the product is. For example, a car commercial would be better if it emphasized a car's safety, rather than the triple-suspension-anti-locking mechanism that a consumer would find incomprehensible. So something like "The Secure Open Source CMS" is descriptive, but isn't very memorable and doesn't directly tell a user what benefits this brings them (unless they have a fetish for open source). So just to throw out a few paraphrases that suggest benefits, what about something similar to "The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS", or "The Safer Way to Manage Your Content", or "The Safer CMS"? From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 9 14:25:22 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:25:22 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> Markus wrote: >The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is >excellent. Hmm, not sure I agree. The (old?) Xerox slogan was good: "The document company". In the unlikely event that you didn't know about Xerox, it would tell you something about them. And for those that think Xerox == copiers, the slogan tells you that there's more to the company. Of course, the slogan is somewhat exchangeable and would work just as well for, say, Adobe (ignore Photoshop and think PDF, Postscript, FrameMaker, ...). Mambo - power in simplicity. Well, that's nice and catchy but doesn't really tell me what it is. Think of the typical FrOSCon / LinuxTag scenario: "So what is Mambo?" "Power in simplicity". Nope, doesn't work. I see some convergence here: Euan McKay wrote: >Geeklog. The secure CMS. Sean Clark wrote: >"The Safer CMS" bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From cordiste at free.fr Tue Feb 9 14:43:06 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:43:06 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002091143k6e0c9a65g7702ce2922d605e7@mail.gmail.com> Just brainstorming... What is a safe or a secure CMS? Does Geeklog is more safe, secure than Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal? ::Ben 2010/2/9 Dirk Haun > Markus wrote: > > >The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is > >excellent. > > Hmm, not sure I agree. The (old?) Xerox slogan was good: "The document > company". In the unlikely event that you didn't know about Xerox, it > would tell you something about them. And for those that think Xerox == > copiers, the slogan tells you that there's more to the company. > > Of course, the slogan is somewhat exchangeable and would work just as > well for, say, Adobe (ignore Photoshop and think PDF, Postscript, > FrameMaker, ...). > > Mambo - power in simplicity. Well, that's nice and catchy but doesn't > really tell me what it is. Think of the typical FrOSCon / LinuxTag > scenario: "So what is Mambo?" "Power in simplicity". Nope, doesn't work. > > > I see some convergence here: > > Euan McKay wrote: > >Geeklog. The secure CMS. > > Sean Clark wrote: > >"The Safer CMS" > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 9 17:18:03 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:18:03 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002091143k6e0c9a65g7702ce2922d605e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002091143k6e0c9a65g7702ce2922d605e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100209221803.1516894766@smtp.haun-online.de> cordiste wrote: >Does Geeklog is more safe, secure than Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal? I'm not going there ... But if we were to go with a focus on security in our slogan, we certainly need to communicate better what it is that we're doing to keep it secure. That may also include some changes in development, like encouraging code reviews. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From 1000ideen at gmx.de Tue Feb 9 19:25:24 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:25:24 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100209221803.1516894766@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002091143k6e0c9a65g7702ce2922d605e7@mail.gmail.com> <20100209221803.1516894766@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100210012524.75853847kuxnznjo@www.mail-interface.de> Well, the claim ist the short thing near the logo. A good international example is Toyota http://www.toyota.com/ "moving forward" Nobody really understands it but it gives you a feeling that they are somehow 'advanced'. Not really my taste but it shows well, what a claim is. It doesn`t explain what Toyota is, that`s not the task of a claim. You have to have an idea that it is a car. Then we normally have the "copy" the advertising text. This could very well contain some nicely formed sentences which may look like a 'slogan' you keep in mind. (We still have a specific German problem with the idea of what a slogan is, normally we think it is an advertising sentence. The word 'claim' or 'copy' is hardly known.) "But if we were to go with a focus on security in our slogan, we certainly need to communicate better what it is that we're doing to keep it secure." Not really. That would be in the copy, the acompanying text, short abstract etc. An example, I think it was Roll Royce cars several decades ago. They had a headline in an ad: 'At speed xxx the only thing you hear is the ticking of the clock.' In those days it was a sign of pure luxury but you didn`t say it literally. And a bad example, my excellent webhoster: http://www.webhost-united.de/ What`s his claim? Webhosting and more. OMG! Fried eggs and bugs, or what is this 'more'? This guy is terribly reliable but doesn`t transfer it at all. -> What has to be transmitted is the feeling of security or as for me 'reliability'. Reliability is when GL becomes insecure but one can rely on quick security fixes or a quick reply on the forum or a long term support etc. That is reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability So how do you transfer reliability? The Australians say: strong as a brick shit house. That`s a claim, eh? *********************************** Reliability Centered 1. GeeklogCMS - reliable as a brick shit house 2. GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 3. GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability, since 2001 4. GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 5. GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 6. GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we could`t even change its name (if we really don`t change the name then humor is a good thing) 7. GeeklogCMS - reliability built in (in connection with the image of the airliner on the right side http://geeklog.info/ ) Text and image still works fine for me. 8. GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! 9. GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability *********************************** I`m still not 100% pleased because indeed the benefit for the user, the webmaster is not so obvious, verbally. On the other hand a reliability minded webmaster knows what problems other CMS can cause. From info at heatherengineering.com Thu Feb 11 18:38:12 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:38:12 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100210012524.75853847kuxnznjo@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <20100209192522.1806863310@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002091143k6e0c9a65g7702ce2922d605e7@mail.gmail.com> <20100209221803.1516894766@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100210012524.75853847kuxnznjo@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: Just trying to keep the ball rolling. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:25, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > Well, the claim ist the short thing near the logo. A good international > example is Toyota http://www.toyota.com/ "moving forward" > Nobody really understands it but it gives you a feeling that they are > somehow 'advanced'. Not really my taste but it shows well, what a claim is. I quite like the Nissan series here in Japan, "shift_[a-zA-Z]{1, }".(1) I wonder if it is worthwhile aiming for something flexible like that rather than one fixed phrase. Geeklog. Online. Securely. Geeklog. Your site. Securely. Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. Geeklog. Secure. Or the other way round. Geeklog. Secure. Online. Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. Geeklog. Secure. Or another pattern. Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. But I still think that "Geeklog. The secure CMS." is not too bad. Also, we need to bear in mind our target audience while working on this. "Geek. Securely." would be fine for that audience, but would alienate the more average user. Cheers, Euan. ------------------------------------------------------- Euan McKay Heather Engineering http://www.heatherengineering.com/ info at heatherengineering.com (1) Clearly, I should get out more... On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 09:25, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > Well, the claim ist the short thing near the logo. A good international > example is Toyota http://www.toyota.com/ "moving forward" > Nobody really understands it but it gives you a feeling that they are > somehow 'advanced'. Not really my taste but it shows well, what a claim is. > > It doesn`t explain what Toyota is, that`s not the task of a claim. You have > to have an idea that it is a car. > > Then we normally have the "copy" the advertising text. This could very well > contain some nicely formed sentences which may look like a 'slogan' you keep > in mind. (We still have a specific German problem with the idea of what a > slogan is, normally we think it is an advertising sentence. The word 'claim' > or 'copy' is hardly known.) > > > "But if we were to go with a focus on security in our slogan, we > certainly need to communicate better what it is that we're doing to keep > it secure." > > Not really. That would be in the copy, the acompanying text, short abstract > etc. > > An example, I think it was Roll Royce cars several decades ago. They had a > ?headline in an ad: 'At speed xxx the only thing you hear is the ticking of > the clock.' In those days it was a sign of pure luxury but you didn`t say it > literally. > > And a bad example, my excellent webhoster: http://www.webhost-united.de/ > What`s his claim? Webhosting and more. OMG! Fried eggs and bugs, or what is > this 'more'? This guy is terribly reliable but doesn`t transfer it at all. > > > > -> What has to be transmitted is the feeling of security or as for me > 'reliability'. Reliability is when GL becomes insecure but one can rely on > quick security fixes or a quick reply on the forum or a long term support > etc. That is reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability > > So how do you transfer reliability? The Australians say: strong as a brick > shit house. That`s a claim, eh? > > > *********************************** > > Reliability Centered > 1. GeeklogCMS - reliable as a brick shit house > 2. GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 > 3. GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability, since 2001 > 4. GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 > 5. GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 > 6. GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we could`t even change its name > (if we really don`t change the name then humor is a good thing) > > 7. GeeklogCMS - reliability built in (in connection with the image of the > airliner on the right side http://geeklog.info/ ) Text and image still works > fine for me. > > 8. GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! > 9. GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability > > *********************************** > > I`m still not 100% pleased because indeed the benefit for the user, the > webmaster is not so obvious, verbally. On the other hand a reliability > minded webmaster knows what problems other CMS can cause. > > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From websitemaster at cogeco.net Thu Feb 11 19:56:15 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:56:15 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> Message-ID: <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> We could also go for The Secure Open Source CMS. Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be good. :) I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the website) since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, etc... automatically. The few I like the best so far is: The Open Source CMS Solution. The Open Source CMS. The Secure CMS Solution. The secure choice. Reliability since 2001 and I had a good laugh with this suggestion GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it identifies what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really need to work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. Tom Slogans suggested so far: Geeklog. Online. Securely. Geeklog. Your site. Securely. Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. Geeklog. Secure. Geeklog. Secure. Online. Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. Geeklog. Secure. Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. The Open Source CMS Solution. The Open Source CMS. Open source security Open and secure The secure solution Geeklog. The secure choice. Geeklog. The secure CMS. GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name GeeklogCMS - reliability built in GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability Open source + Security = Geeklog The Safer CMS The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS The Safer Way to Manage Your Content CMS to build your website Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security A Content Management System with Security in mind. The Open Source CMS Solution. Manage your Content Securely. Publish your stuff. Securely. Build a Website, securely. Web Publishing - reliable and secure. Reliable and Secure CMS Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS Content Publishing Software -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM To: 'Geeklog Development' Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim So here are the slogans suggested so far: CMS to build your website Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security A Content Management System with Security in mind. The Open Source CMS Solution. Manage your Content Securely. Publish your stuff. Securely. Build a Website, securely. Web Publishing - reliable and secure. Any other ideas? Here are few more from me. Reliable and Secure CMS Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS Content Publishing Software So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the best (and not because I suggested it!) Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind mambo anyway. _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4849 (20100208) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4849 (20100208) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4849 (20100208) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4859 (20100211) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 23:00:30 2010 From: keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com (Keheliya Gallaba) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:30:30 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> Message-ID: Hello guys, Since a slogan can summarize what is the product is all about, how about something like Geeklog CMS Secure Social Collaboration Geeklog CMS Secure Social Sharing On 12 February 2010 06:26, Tom wrote: > > We could also go for > > The Secure Open Source CMS. > > Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be > good. :) > > > I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the website) > since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, etc... > automatically. > > > The few I like the best so far is: > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > The Open Source CMS. > The Secure CMS Solution. > The secure choice. > Reliability since 2001 > > and I had a good laugh with this suggestion > > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name > > I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it identifies > what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really need to > work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. > > Tom > > > Slogans suggested so far: > > Geeklog. Online. Securely. > Geeklog. Your site. Securely. > Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. > Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. > Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. > Geeklog. Secure. > Geeklog. Secure. Online. > Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. > Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. > Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. > Geeklog. Secure. > Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. > Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. > Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. > Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. > Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. > Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. > Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > The Open Source CMS. > Open source security > Open and secure > The secure solution > Geeklog. The secure choice. > Geeklog. The secure CMS. > GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 > GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 > GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability > GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name > GeeklogCMS - reliability built in > GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! > GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability > Open source + Security = Geeklog > The Safer CMS > The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS > The Safer Way to Manage Your Content > CMS to build your website > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > A Content Management System with Security in mind. > The Open Source CMS Solution. > Manage your Content Securely. > Publish your stuff. Securely. > Build a Website, securely. > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > Reliable and Secure CMS > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS > Content Publishing Software > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom > Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM > To: 'Geeklog Development' > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > So here are the slogans suggested so far: > > > CMS to build your website > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > A Content Management System with Security in mind. > The Open Source CMS Solution. > Manage your Content Securely. > Publish your stuff. Securely. > Build a Website, securely. > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > Any other ideas? > > Here are few more from me. > > Reliable and Secure CMS > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS > Content Publishing Software > > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the > best (and not because I suggested it!) > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM > To: Geeklog Development > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 > > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind > mambo anyway. > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4859 (20100211) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From trinity93 at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:42:58 2010 From: trinity93 at gmail.com (Trinity) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:42:58 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> Message-ID: how about "We do content management right" trinity On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Keheliya Gallaba < keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, > > Since a slogan can summarize what is the product is all about, how > about something like > > Geeklog CMS Secure Social Collaboration > Geeklog CMS Secure Social Sharing > > On 12 February 2010 06:26, Tom wrote: > > > > We could also go for > > > > The Secure Open Source CMS. > > > > Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be > > good. :) > > > > > > I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the > website) > > since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, > etc... > > automatically. > > > > > > The few I like the best so far is: > > > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > > The Open Source CMS. > > The Secure CMS Solution. > > The secure choice. > > Reliability since 2001 > > > > and I had a good laugh with this suggestion > > > > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name > > > > I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it > identifies > > what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really need > to > > work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. > > > > Tom > > > > > > Slogans suggested so far: > > > > Geeklog. Online. Securely. > > Geeklog. Your site. Securely. > > Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. > > Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. > > Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. > > Geeklog. Secure. > > Geeklog. Secure. Online. > > Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. > > Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. > > Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. > > Geeklog. Secure. > > Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. > > Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. > > > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > > The Open Source CMS. > > Open source security > > Open and secure > > The secure solution > > Geeklog. The secure choice. > > Geeklog. The secure CMS. > > GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 > > GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 > > GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability > > GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 > > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name > > GeeklogCMS - reliability built in > > GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! > > GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability > > Open source + Security = Geeklog > > The Safer CMS > > The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS > > The Safer Way to Manage Your Content > > CMS to build your website > > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > > A Content Management System with Security in mind. > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > > Manage your Content Securely. > > Publish your stuff. Securely. > > Build a Website, securely. > > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > Reliable and Secure CMS > > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS > > Content Publishing Software > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom > > Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM > > To: 'Geeklog Development' > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > > > So here are the slogans suggested so far: > > > > > > CMS to build your website > > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security > > A Content Management System with Security in mind. > > The Open Source CMS Solution. > > Manage your Content Securely. > > Publish your stuff. Securely. > > Build a Website, securely. > > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > Here are few more from me. > > > > Reliable and Secure CMS > > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS > > Content Publishing Software > > > > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the > > best (and not because I suggested it!) > > > > Tom > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus > > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM > > To: Geeklog Development > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > > > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: > > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 > > > > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is > > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind > > mambo anyway. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 4849 (20100208) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 4859 (20100211) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cordiste at free.fr Fri Feb 12 16:49:27 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:49:27 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> Message-ID: <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> And this one: Geeklog CMS - For boys and girls Welcome back Trinity :) ::Ben 2010/2/12 Trinity > how about "We do content management right" > > trinity > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Keheliya Gallaba < > keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello guys, >> >> Since a slogan can summarize what is the product is all about, how >> about something like >> >> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Collaboration >> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Sharing >> >> On 12 February 2010 06:26, Tom wrote: >> > >> > We could also go for >> > >> > The Secure Open Source CMS. >> > >> > Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be >> > good. :) >> > >> > >> > I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the >> website) >> > since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, >> etc... >> > automatically. >> > >> > >> > The few I like the best so far is: >> > >> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >> > The Open Source CMS. >> > The Secure CMS Solution. >> > The secure choice. >> > Reliability since 2001 >> > >> > and I had a good laugh with this suggestion >> > >> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >> > >> > I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it >> identifies >> > what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really >> need to >> > work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > Slogans suggested so far: >> > >> > Geeklog. Online. Securely. >> > Geeklog. Your site. Securely. >> > Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. >> > Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. >> > Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. >> > Geeklog. Secure. >> > Geeklog. Secure. Online. >> > Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. >> > Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. >> > Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. >> > Geeklog. Secure. >> > Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. >> > Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. >> > >> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >> > The Open Source CMS. >> > Open source security >> > Open and secure >> > The secure solution >> > Geeklog. The secure choice. >> > Geeklog. The secure CMS. >> > GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 >> > GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 >> > GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability >> > GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 >> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >> > GeeklogCMS - reliability built in >> > GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! >> > GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability >> > Open source + Security = Geeklog >> > The Safer CMS >> > The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS >> > The Safer Way to Manage Your Content >> > CMS to build your website >> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >> > Manage your Content Securely. >> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >> > Build a Website, securely. >> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >> > Reliable and Secure CMS >> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >> > Content Publishing Software >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom >> > Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM >> > To: 'Geeklog Development' >> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >> > >> > So here are the slogans suggested so far: >> > >> > >> > CMS to build your website >> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >> > Manage your Content Securely. >> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >> > Build a Website, securely. >> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >> > >> > Any other ideas? >> > >> > Here are few more from me. >> > >> > Reliable and Secure CMS >> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >> > Content Publishing Software >> > >> > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan the >> > best (and not because I suggested it!) >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus >> > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM >> > To: Geeklog Development >> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >> > >> > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: >> > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 >> > >> > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is >> > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind >> > mambo anyway. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > geeklog-devel mailing list >> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > geeklog-devel mailing list >> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> > database 4859 (20100211) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > geeklog-devel mailing list >> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could also put a bunch of slogans into a poll and ask our users what they think... -Vinny On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:49 PM, cordiste wrote: > And this one: > > Geeklog CMS - For boys and girls > > Welcome back Trinity :) > > ::Ben > > 2010/2/12 Trinity > > how about "We do content management right" >> >> trinity >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Keheliya Gallaba < >> keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello guys, >>> >>> Since a slogan can summarize what is the product is all about, how >>> about something like >>> >>> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Collaboration >>> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Sharing >>> >>> On 12 February 2010 06:26, Tom wrote: >>> > >>> > We could also go for >>> > >>> > The Secure Open Source CMS. >>> > >>> > Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be >>> > good. :) >>> > >>> > >>> > I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the >>> website) >>> > since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, >>> etc... >>> > automatically. >>> > >>> > >>> > The few I like the best so far is: >>> > >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > The Open Source CMS. >>> > The Secure CMS Solution. >>> > The secure choice. >>> > Reliability since 2001 >>> > >>> > and I had a good laugh with this suggestion >>> > >>> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >>> > >>> > I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it >>> identifies >>> > what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really >>> need to >>> > work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. >>> > >>> > Tom >>> > >>> > >>> > Slogans suggested so far: >>> > >>> > Geeklog. Online. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Your site. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Online. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. >>> > Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. >>> > >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > The Open Source CMS. >>> > Open source security >>> > Open and secure >>> > The secure solution >>> > Geeklog. The secure choice. >>> > Geeklog. The secure CMS. >>> > GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability >>> > GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >>> > GeeklogCMS - reliability built in >>> > GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! >>> > GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability >>> > Open source + Security = Geeklog >>> > The Safer CMS >>> > The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS >>> > The Safer Way to Manage Your Content >>> > CMS to build your website >>> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >>> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > Manage your Content Securely. >>> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >>> > Build a Website, securely. >>> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >>> > Reliable and Secure CMS >>> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >>> > Content Publishing Software >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >>> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom >>> > Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM >>> > To: 'Geeklog Development' >>> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >>> > >>> > So here are the slogans suggested so far: >>> > >>> > >>> > CMS to build your website >>> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >>> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > Manage your Content Securely. >>> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >>> > Build a Website, securely. >>> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >>> > >>> > Any other ideas? >>> > >>> > Here are few more from me. >>> > >>> > Reliable and Secure CMS >>> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >>> > Content Publishing Software >>> > >>> > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan >>> the >>> > best (and not because I suggested it!) >>> > >>> > Tom >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >>> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus >>> > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM >>> > To: Geeklog Development >>> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >>> > >>> > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: >>> > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 >>> > >>> > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is >>> > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind >>> > mambo anyway. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4859 (20100211) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> geeklog-devel mailing list >>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trinity93 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 00:18:47 2010 From: trinity93 at gmail.com (Trinity) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:18:47 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: well i figured i would check my mail and i saw this thread. i spend most of my time on secodlife now but i do miss you all On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, cordiste wrote: > And this one: > > Geeklog CMS - For boys and girls > > Welcome back Trinity :) > > ::Ben > > 2010/2/12 Trinity > > how about "We do content management right" >> >> trinity >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Keheliya Gallaba < >> keheliya.gallaba at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello guys, >>> >>> Since a slogan can summarize what is the product is all about, how >>> about something like >>> >>> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Collaboration >>> Geeklog CMS Secure Social Sharing >>> >>> On 12 February 2010 06:26, Tom wrote: >>> > >>> > We could also go for >>> > >>> > The Secure Open Source CMS. >>> > >>> > Now that I look at what I typed I see "The SOS CMS", which might not be >>> > good. :) >>> > >>> > >>> > I think we should keep the name out of the slogan (at least for the >>> website) >>> > since Geeklog does combine the name and the slogan for the homepage, >>> etc... >>> > automatically. >>> > >>> > >>> > The few I like the best so far is: >>> > >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > The Open Source CMS. >>> > The Secure CMS Solution. >>> > The secure choice. >>> > Reliability since 2001 >>> > >>> > and I had a good laugh with this suggestion >>> > >>> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >>> > >>> > I do think we need to mention CMS somewhere in the slogan as it >>> identifies >>> > what Geeklog is. We are not a company like Toyota who doesn't really >>> need to >>> > work on letting people know what they do, just why it is better. >>> > >>> > Tom >>> > >>> > >>> > Slogans suggested so far: >>> > >>> > Geeklog. Online. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Your site. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Flexible. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Extensible. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Reliable. Securely. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Online. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Flexible. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Extensible. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. Reliable. >>> > Geeklog. Secure. >>> > Geeklog: CMS. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Blog. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Sandbox. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Secure. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Flexible. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Extensible. You: Online. >>> > Geeklog: Reliable. You: Online. >>> > >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > The Open Source CMS. >>> > Open source security >>> > Open and secure >>> > The secure solution >>> > Geeklog. The secure choice. >>> > Geeklog. The secure CMS. >>> > GeeklogCMS - reliability since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - call it oldfashioned - we call it reliable, since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - the name for reliability >>> > GeeklogCMS - if reliability is key, since 2001 >>> > GeeklogCMS - so sturdy, we couldn`t even change its name >>> > GeeklogCMS - reliability built in >>> > GeeklogCMS - Reliability Centered - enjoy! >>> > GeeklogCMS - For those who can spell Reliability >>> > Open source + Security = Geeklog >>> > The Safer CMS >>> > The No Hassle, No Risk, No Cost CMS >>> > The Safer Way to Manage Your Content >>> > CMS to build your website >>> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >>> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > Manage your Content Securely. >>> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >>> > Build a Website, securely. >>> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >>> > Reliable and Secure CMS >>> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >>> > Content Publishing Software >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >>> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tom >>> > Sent: February-08-10 6:22 PM >>> > To: 'Geeklog Development' >>> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >>> > >>> > So here are the slogans suggested so far: >>> > >>> > >>> > CMS to build your website >>> > Geeklog CMS -- Mind your security >>> > A Content Management System with Security in mind. >>> > The Open Source CMS Solution. >>> > Manage your Content Securely. >>> > Publish your stuff. Securely. >>> > Build a Website, securely. >>> > Web Publishing - reliable and secure. >>> > >>> > Any other ideas? >>> > >>> > Here are few more from me. >>> > >>> > Reliable and Secure CMS >>> > Reliable and Secure Open Source CMS >>> > Content Publishing Software >>> > >>> > So far, I personally like the "The Open Source CMS Solution." slogan >>> the >>> > best (and not because I suggested it!) >>> > >>> > Tom >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net >>> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Markus >>> > Sent: February-08-10 4:22 PM >>> > To: Geeklog Development >>> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim >>> > >>> > I just noticed that I had also written something about claims before: >>> > http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=82241 >>> > >>> > The xerox example is not the best because it is old. Mambo is >>> > excellent. As far as I know there is an advertising agency behind >>> > mambo anyway. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4849 (20100208) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> > database 4859 (20100211) __________ >>> > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> > >>> > http://www.eset.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > geeklog-devel mailing list >>> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> _______________________________________________ >>> geeklog-devel mailing list >>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1000ideen at gmx.de Sat Feb 13 07:09:27 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:09:27 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100213130927.1499568ro0hf9i0n@www.mail-interface.de> I always suggest to my graphics designer that she should make a set of 2-4 business cards instead of one to choose. The advantage is that one can hand them out on different ocasions or different moods. It is a bit playful and also shows the ability to be flexible. Flexibility is another important aspect of GL. There is hardly any other small CMS where you can change the appearance so easily. That reminds me of Burger King and "have it your way". The BK logo (a burger) is so strong and selfexplanatory, it hardly needs a claim: http://img.bkstores.de/images/layout/logo.png Instead they have varying campaigns with "slogans". 'Feel the fire' was one, 'have it your way' is the current one. So, cosidering the high value of flexibility I`d be in favour of a changing claim. Maybe with a colour change or logo change too? Markus > Also, instead of choosing one slogan, why not choose several (a bunch?) and > rotate them on the Geeklog.net home page. Switching once an hour or once > every 10 minutes. We could also put a bunch of slogans into a poll and ask > our users what they think... > > -Vinny From 1000ideen at gmx.de Sat Feb 13 07:28:25 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:28:25 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The name change In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100213132825.354143m4qvzf9hbd@www.mail-interface.de> Concerning the name change it is a question if we want to break all the connection with the old word Geeklog. I`m rather in favour of smaller steps like I wrote before: GeeCMS, glCMS or similar. I cannot see any advantage in the name "Aptitude". It is long, clumsy, has 3 sylables. Markus Zitat von Vincent Furia : > If we're looking for a name change, has anyone considered adopting > AptitudeCMS? With Tony gone, it appears abandoned. With its > Geeklog pedigree, it seems like a good fit. (Of course, we'd definitely want > to talk to Tony first). > -Vinny From info at heatherengineering.com Sat Feb 13 08:26:43 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:26:43 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100213130927.1499568ro0hf9i0n@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> <20100213130927.1499568ro0hf9i0n@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: I agree that several options can be better than just one claim. Sometimes you can't say it all in just one sentence. But I think that you need something to tie those claims together, much like the Nissan campaign I mentioned: perhaps having some kind of pattern, so that it is easy for users to see that these are all variations on a theme. Euan. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 21:09, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > I always suggest to my graphics designer that she should make a set of 2-4 > business cards instead of one to choose. The advantage is that one can hand > them out on different ocasions or different moods. It is a bit playful and > also shows the ability to be flexible. > > > Flexibility is another important aspect of GL. There is hardly any other > small CMS where you can change the appearance so easily. > > That reminds me of Burger King and "have it your way". The BK logo (a > burger) is so strong and selfexplanatory, it hardly needs a claim: > http://img.bkstores.de/images/layout/logo.png > Instead they have varying campaigns with "slogans". 'Feel the fire' was one, > 'have it your way' is the current one. > > > So, cosidering the high value of flexibility I`d be in favour of a changing > claim. Maybe with a colour change or logo change too? > > Markus > > >> Also, instead of choosing one slogan, why not choose several (a bunch?) >> and >> rotate them on the Geeklog.net home page. Switching once an hour or once >> every 10 minutes. We could also put a bunch of slogans into a poll and ask >> our users what they think... >> >> -Vinny > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From info at heatherengineering.com Sat Feb 13 08:35:07 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:35:07 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The name change In-Reply-To: <20100213132825.354143m4qvzf9hbd@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> <20100213132825.354143m4qvzf9hbd@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: I don't think that Aptitude is particularly good either. http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/2008-April/thread.html#3353 The "Perception is everything..." thread has the same discussion from 2008. I don't think that a complete break (name change) is worth it unless we develop a whole strategy for how to change, and also what to change to. Just the slogan for now is enough, and that might help decide on the question of what we're aiming at. Euan. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 21:28, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > Concerning the name change it is a question if we want to break all the > connection with the old word Geeklog. I`m rather in favour of smaller steps > like I wrote before: GeeCMS, glCMS or similar. > > I cannot see any advantage in the name "Aptitude". It is long, clumsy, has 3 > sylables. > > Markus > > > Zitat von Vincent Furia : > >> If we're looking for a name change, has anyone considered adopting >> AptitudeCMS? With Tony gone, it appears abandoned. With its >> Geeklog pedigree, it seems like a good fit. (Of course, we'd definitely >> want >> to talk to Tony first). > >> -Vinny > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From dirk at haun-online.de Sun Feb 14 07:00:35 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:00:35 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas Message-ID: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> I've added two more (mostly) fleshed-out project ideas to our GSoC page and I think we could use another two or so. Looking through the "Brainstorming" page, though, those all look like they should take about a month to implement, i.e. they are too small for GSoC[1]. Could those that are willing to (co-)mentor please have a look and see if they have anything to add? Thanks. http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code bye, Dirk [1] so maybe if they don't end up as GSoC projects, they could become bounty projects, backed by some generous bounty -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Sun Feb 14 13:58:20 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:58:20 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100214185820.840358415@smtp.haun-online.de> Vincent Furia wrote: >If we're looking for a name change, has anyone considered adopting >AptitudeCMS? With Tony gone, it appears abandoned. I'm with Markus on this one. The problems I've encountered with this name: - People who know about the Debian aptitude utility are confused by the similarity. - Non-native speakers usually don't know what the word means. - It could be me, but I can rarely type "aptitude" correctly on the first try. Maybe a better name will reveal itself some day, but for now I'd say we concentrate on a new slogan. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Mon Feb 15 11:46:05 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help. Another idea would be to allow SPAM detection to fail more gracefully and give the user a second chance (the moderation option may cover this though). For example a post that fails could return basic information on why it failed (ie 2 spam words found, only 3 links allowed in a post, etc...) and then redisplay their post for them to edit and try again. I have also have had cases where I wished SPAMX treated items (stories, comments, etc..) differently. You could have a global set of keywords, modules and then allow for subsets if the admin wanted tighter/looser control on particular items. Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking features. I haven't had any need for this myself as of yet (except for Facebook Connect where I hope to get more people logging into my sites) but I can see where this feature would be a huge draw to webmasters. The problem I think we have here is what is the big picture (which does not need to be completed in this round of the GSOC), what do we want, and how do we divide it up into acceptable sized projects. So what are the basics of Social Networking? (I think Joe covered this pretty well in one of his posts.) 1. The ability for users to request friends/accept friend requests and to be able to create Groups of Friends. 2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want their users to be able to do with friends? - Is a Wall needed like on Facebook? - User Blogs? - For Private non-email Messages? - Chatting - Sharing Photos, Videos - Pulling Social Networking information from other sources? - Geeklog Plugin Support? - JQUERY required? - etc... 3. Finally how is the stuff going to work? - Is it features that are integrated into the My Account with new tabs, profile page? - Is it a separate plugin that may need some new plugin API calls built into Geeklog? - Or is it integrated right into Geeklog? So, we need #1 for sure and it needs to be integrated into Geeklog with probably an additional tab in My Account to handle managing all the friends and groups. So as specified in #2, what one or two core features does Geeklog Admins need/want? Anyone have any ideas? Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun Sent: February-07-10 2:34 PM To: geeklog-devel Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on As a reminder: Organizations can apply for participation in GSoC 2010 from March 8 on. That's 4 weeks from now. We should have a good list of fleshed-out project ideas by then. What we have at the moment isn't so great, IMO ... http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/GSoC_Brainstorming Thanks to those who are willing to mentor. We could use a few more people, though. Please apply within :) bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4845 (20100207) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4869 (20100215) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dirk at haun-online.de Mon Feb 15 14:08:58 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:08:58 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> Message-ID: <20100215190858.214896209@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a >Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help. I think the main problem with the Spam-X ideas is that they are not very attractive as a project. It's a collection of separate ideas with "has something to do with spam" as the only common theme. The only thing that I'm really missing when dealing with spam every day is the ability to share blacklists between sites. There's some spam that, when it hits one site, will surely hit other sites, too, within a short period of time. So that would call for something like SWOT. But SWOT as such is too small a project for GSoC. The other really useful thing would be to be able to hold back supposed spam posts instead of outright deleting them. But that's tricky to implement with the current API: Spam-X doesn't know where the post it's checking is coming from and so couldn't stick it into a moderation queue. That would be the caller's job. Which of course means extra work on that end. The only other option I see here would be to define a new API - which would then require lots of changes to use this new API. So the "moderation queue" idea would be mostly a lot of boring work. And again would be too small a project for GSoC. Bundling SWOT and the moderation queue in one project doesn't really make it any more attractive either ... So I do see the need for some work here but I currently don't see a way to turn this into a successful GSoC project. bye, Dirk P.S. The use counter is something you could easily implement in an afternoon. -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Mon Feb 15 14:12:16 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:12:16 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> Message-ID: <20100215191216.414697825@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking >features. Just to repeat: I'm not against adding Social Networking features to Geeklog. I only see this problem: >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want >their users to be able to do with friends? And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become an interesting project. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From joe at ThrowingDice.com Mon Feb 15 15:42:38 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:38 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <20100215191216.414697825@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> <20100215191216.414697825@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <0KXW002FCHKY5HD0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 02:12 PM 2/15/2010, Dirk Haun wrote: > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > >their users to be able to do with friends? > >And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become >an interesting project. It might be better to negate this question: What does a typical Geeklog webmaster NOT want their users to be able to do with friends? I'm sure some sites would disable the friend code in its entirety but what about partial implementations? Calendar events for private groups would be great and it would be something a webmaster might want to disable. Links only my friends can see? Also something someone might want to disable. Etc. Basically the real question is how will friends be useable and how do you make it easy for the admin to disable one or more of these things. The current problem is that it isn't possible to hook into the permissions system currently to add friendship lists to the system. Once that ability exists, every subsystem will need to determine "is this something individual users should be able to add to their profile?" Currently Geeklog is very admin oriented. You give discrete abilities to a select few chosen people and they then pontificate to your users. Social networking turns that on its ear. They are all about allowing users to talk to other users without some administrator vetting the content. Personally step 1 doesn't sound like a GSOC project. It sounds like something done by (or for) the team and integrated into a new version of Geeklog and left turned off when first released. Then you can have GSOC projects for integrating existing (and new) systems with the new friend capabilities. It's kind of a chicken and egg issue. You can't add friend capabilities to things without core support and adding core support for friends is useless if nothing uses that support. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.149). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 15 17:06:20 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:06:20 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Spam-X In-Reply-To: <20100215190858.214896209@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> <20100215190858.214896209@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100215230620.1440619hkot8omsc@www.mail-interface.de> I`m not using spam-x because of the fact that it produces false positives which are not moderated. As for me this would be a main feature of spam-x. Markus From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 15 17:21:45 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:21:45 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Social Networking In-Reply-To: <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> Message-ID: <20100215232145.21196gov4gp4k73t@www.mail-interface.de> If userblogs would be a part of Social Networking I wonder if they should be an own topic. There are a lot of things to be considerd like read only topics etc. Many times user blogs have been asked for as a feature on the forum. Markus From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 15 17:30:56 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:30:56 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100214185820.840358415@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> <20100214185820.840358415@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100215233056.11806cq779zjge8w@www.mail-interface.de> Concerning "Aptitude" It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language. Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year 2001 the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed to mamboCMS. So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS - GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. Markus From vfuria at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 00:29:40 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:29:40 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <20100215233056.11806cq779zjge8w@www.mail-interface.de> References: <20100208162632.41100@gmx.net> <20100208222151.15859wn258bzvfqn@www.mail-interface.de> <01b201caa915$941b60b0$bc522210$@net> <00fa01caab7e$2dd82750$898875f0$@net> <364575ed1002121349g4b96abfs3bc4c0a351f970c9@mail.gmail.com> <8319e2d61002121556h29efa51ay84d15985aac775e5@mail.gmail.com> <20100214185820.840358415@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100215233056.11806cq779zjge8w@www.mail-interface.de> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002152129v48cf6691sab48b264a5fcb00d@mail.gmail.com> I agree AptitudeCMS is confusing because of its similarity to the package management application. But to say a brand name has to have meaning in every language is limiting and has plenty of counter-examples. Not only are there many companies whose names don't have meanings in several languages, but there are plenty of brands whose name has no meaning in any language. If there was a great German name for Geeklog I'd be all for it. No matter that it didn't have an English (or other language meaning). -Vinny On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > Concerning "Aptitude" > > It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language. > Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year 2001 > the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how > ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed to > mamboCMS. > > > So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS - > GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. > > Markus > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cordiste at free.fr Tue Feb 16 04:31:20 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:31:20 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <20100215191216.414697825@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> <20100215191216.414697825@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002160131w4932c957ia3abcb1e98581802@mail.gmail.com> 2010/2/15 Dirk Haun wrote: > > > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > >their users to be able to do with friends? > > And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become > an interesting project. > > As a social feature I want users to be able to share items like a private calendar or a private event, private pools, private links, private medias. They also need a page (a big wall) to show public and private items and the ability to create and manage or co-manage one or more groups. I also need a API to create plugins for this feature . ::Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moulyg at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 11:29:16 2010 From: moulyg at gmail.com (Mouly Gunarathne) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:59:16 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f1431b81002160829nc15e2cn2f37c3e7102a0c57@mail.gmail.com> Actually I think social networking should be include in geeklog. for example : facebook is very popular this days.... if we can connect them not going to the www.facebook.com site by using our geeklog... it will be fine... :-) any one think about how to intergrate Fb and to where... I have an idea we can include a chat client that can use fb chat... and also status update..... fan club... On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > geeklog-devel-owner at lists.geeklog.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Tom) > 2. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Dirk Haun) > 3. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Dirk Haun) > 4. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Joe Mucchiello) > 5. Re: GSoC 2010 is on - Spam-X (Markus) > 6. Re: GSoC 2010 is on - Social Networking (Markus) > 7. Re: The Slogan which is a Claim (Markus) > 8. Re: The Slogan which is a Claim (Vincent Furia) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:46:05 -0500 > From: "Tom" > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: "'Geeklog Development'" > Message-ID: <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a > Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help. Another idea > would be to allow SPAM detection to fail more gracefully and give the user > a > second chance (the moderation option may cover this though). For example a > post that fails could return basic information on why it failed (ie 2 spam > words found, only 3 links allowed in a post, etc...) and then redisplay > their post for them to edit and try again. > > I have also have had cases where I wished SPAMX treated items (stories, > comments, etc..) differently. You could have a global set of keywords, > modules and then allow for subsets if the admin wanted tighter/looser > control on particular items. > > Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking > features. I haven't had any need for this myself as of yet (except for > Facebook Connect where I hope to get more people logging into my sites) but > I can see where this feature would be a huge draw to webmasters. The > problem > I think we have here is what is the big picture (which does not need to be > completed in this round of the GSOC), what do we want, and how do we divide > it up into acceptable sized projects. > > So what are the basics of Social Networking? (I think Joe covered this > pretty well in one of his posts.) > > 1. The ability for users to request friends/accept friend requests and to > be > able to create Groups of Friends. > > 2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > their users to be able to do with friends? > - Is a Wall needed like on Facebook? > - User Blogs? > - For Private non-email Messages? > - Chatting > - Sharing Photos, Videos > - Pulling Social Networking information from other sources? > - Geeklog Plugin Support? > - JQUERY required? > - etc... > > 3. Finally how is the stuff going to work? > - Is it features that are integrated into the My Account with new > tabs, profile page? > - Is it a separate plugin that may need some new plugin API calls > built into Geeklog? > - Or is it integrated right into Geeklog? > > > So, we need #1 for sure and it needs to be integrated into Geeklog with > probably an additional tab in My Account to handle managing all the friends > and groups. So as specified in #2, what one or two core features does > Geeklog Admins need/want? > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun > Sent: February-07-10 2:34 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > > As a reminder: Organizations can apply for participation in GSoC 2010 > from March 8 on. That's 4 weeks from now. We should have a good list of > fleshed-out project ideas by then. What we have at the moment isn't so > great, IMO ... > > http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code > http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/GSoC_Brainstorming > > Thanks to those who are willing to mentor. We could use a few more > people, though. Please apply within :) > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4845 (20100207) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4869 (20100215) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:08:58 +0100 > From: "Dirk Haun" > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: geeklog-devel > Message-ID: <20100215190858.214896209 at smtp.haun-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Tom wrote: > > >I was hoping to see the Spam-X overhaul kept on the GSOC list as having a > >Moderation Option, Use Counter, etc... would be a big help. > > I think the main problem with the Spam-X ideas is that they are not very > attractive as a project. It's a collection of separate ideas with "has > something to do with spam" as the only common theme. > > The only thing that I'm really missing when dealing with spam every day > is the ability to share blacklists between sites. There's some spam > that, when it hits one site, will surely hit other sites, too, within a > short period of time. So that would call for something like SWOT. But > SWOT as such is too small a project for GSoC. > > The other really useful thing would be to be able to hold back supposed > spam posts instead of outright deleting them. But that's tricky to > implement with the current API: Spam-X doesn't know where the post it's > checking is coming from and so couldn't stick it into a moderation > queue. That would be the caller's job. Which of course means extra work > on that end. The only other option I see here would be to define a new > API - which would then require lots of changes to use this new API. > > So the "moderation queue" idea would be mostly a lot of boring work. And > again would be too small a project for GSoC. > > Bundling SWOT and the moderation queue in one project doesn't really > make it any more attractive either ... > > So I do see the need for some work here but I currently don't see a way > to turn this into a successful GSoC project. > > bye, Dirk > > P.S. The use counter is something you could easily implement in an > afternoon. > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:12:16 +0100 > From: "Dirk Haun" > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: geeklog-devel > Message-ID: <20100215191216.414697825 at smtp.haun-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Tom wrote: > > >Another GSOC idea I don't want to see dropped is the Social Networking > >features. > > Just to repeat: I'm not against adding Social Networking features to > Geeklog. I only see this problem: > > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > >their users to be able to do with friends? > > And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become > an interesting project. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:42:38 -0500 > From: Joe Mucchiello > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: <0KXW002FCHKY5HD0 at mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > At 02:12 PM 2/15/2010, Dirk Haun wrote: > > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > > >their users to be able to do with friends? > > > >And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become > >an interesting project. > > It might be better to negate this question: What does a typical > Geeklog webmaster NOT want their users to be able to do with friends? > I'm sure some sites would disable the friend code in its entirety but > what about partial implementations? Calendar events for private > groups would be great and it would be something a webmaster might > want to disable. Links only my friends can see? Also something > someone might want to disable. Etc. Basically the real question is > how will friends be useable and how do you make it easy for the admin > to disable one or more of these things. > > The current problem is that it isn't possible to hook into the > permissions system currently to add friendship lists to the system. > Once that ability exists, every subsystem will need to determine "is > this something individual users should be able to add to their > profile?" Currently Geeklog is very admin oriented. You give discrete > abilities to a select few chosen people and they then pontificate to > your users. Social networking turns that on its ear. They are all > about allowing users to talk to other users without some > administrator vetting the content. > > Personally step 1 doesn't sound like a GSOC project. It sounds like > something done by (or for) the team and integrated into a new version > of Geeklog and left turned off when first released. Then you can have > GSOC projects for integrating existing (and new) systems with the new > friend capabilities. It's kind of a chicken and egg issue. You can't > add friend capabilities to things without core support and adding > core support for friends is useless if nothing uses that support. > > > ---- > Joe Mucchiello > Throwing Dice Games > http://www.throwingdice.com > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.149). > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:06:20 +0100 > From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Spam-X > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: <20100215230620.1440619hkot8omsc at www.mail-interface.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" > > I`m not using spam-x because of the fact that it produces false > positives which are not moderated. As for me this would be a main > feature of spam-x. > > Markus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:21:45 +0100 > From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on - Social Networking > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: <20100215232145.21196gov4gp4k73t at www.mail-interface.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" > > If userblogs would be a part of Social Networking I wonder if they > should be an own topic. There are a lot of things to be considerd like > read only topics etc. > > Many times user blogs have been asked for as a feature on the forum. > > Markus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:30:56 +0100 > From: Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: <20100215233056.11806cq779zjge8w at www.mail-interface.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" > > Concerning "Aptitude" > > It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one > language. Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and > in the year 2001 the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin > to understand how ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later > that it was renamed to mamboCMS. > > > So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" > CMS - GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. > > Markus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:29:40 -0700 > From: Vincent Furia > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: > <8319e2d61002152129v48cf6691sab48b264a5fcb00d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I agree AptitudeCMS is confusing because of its similarity to the package > management application. But to say a brand name has to have meaning in > every > language is limiting and has plenty of counter-examples. Not only are there > many companies whose names don't have meanings in several languages, but > there are plenty of brands whose name has no meaning in any language. > > If there was a great German name for Geeklog I'd be all for it. No matter > that it didn't have an English (or other language meaning). > > -Vinny > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > > > Concerning "Aptitude" > > > > It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language. > > Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year > 2001 > > the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how > > ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed > to > > mamboCMS. > > > > > > So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS > - > > GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. > > > > Markus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/attachments/20100215/90b57dbd/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > End of geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 > ********************************************* > -- Mouly Gunarathne Department of Computer Engineering University of Peradeniya gsnm4u.uuuq.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moulyg at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 11:30:33 2010 From: moulyg at gmail.com (Mouly Gunarathne) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:00:33 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f1431b81002160830p6e493012k5caac74235de30d8@mail.gmail.com> Actually I think social networking should be include in geeklog. for example : facebook is very popular this days.... if we can connect them not going to the www.facebook.com site by using our geeklog... it will be fine... :-) any one think about how to intergrate Fb and to where... I have an idea we can include a chat client that can use fb chat... and also status update..... fan club... On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:30 PM, wrote: > Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > geeklog-devel-owner at lists.geeklog.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (cordiste) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:31:20 +0100 > From: cordiste > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: Geeklog Development > Message-ID: > <364575ed1002160131w4932c957ia3abcb1e98581802 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2010/2/15 Dirk Haun wrote: > > > > > > >2. Ok so now we have friends, what does a typical Geeklog webmaster want > > >their users to be able to do with friends? > > > > And I think if someone comes up with an answer to this, it could become > > an interesting project. > > > > > As a social feature I want users to be able to share items like a private > calendar or a private event, private pools, private links, private medias. > They also need a page (a big wall) to show public and private items and the > ability to create and manage or co-manage one or more groups. > > I also need a API to create plugins for this feature . > > ::Ben > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://eight.pairlist.net/pipermail/geeklog-devel/attachments/20100216/5b033706/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > End of geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 16 > ********************************************* > -- Mouly Gunarathne Department of Computer Engineering University of Peradeniya gsnm4u.uuuq.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Tue Feb 16 11:32:54 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:32:54 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> I also vote for not using Aptitude as a replacement name. Shortening the current name to something with GL in it is probably preferable. So, the question that is still outstanding is "what is the slogan supposed to do for Geeklog?". Are we trying to make a claim? Are we trying to make it catchy? Are we trying to be clever? Ditch the "log" part of the name and make it simply gCMS. The 'g' being a carryover from bygone days and makes for good wiki fodder. gCMS - Your content, secured. From: Vincent Furia [mailto:vfuria at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:30 AM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim I agree AptitudeCMS is confusing because of its similarity to the package management application. But to say a brand name has to have meaning in every language is limiting and has plenty of counter-examples. Not only are there many companies whose names don't have meanings in several languages, but there are plenty of brands whose name has no meaning in any language. If there was a great German name for Geeklog I'd be all for it. No matter that it didn't have an English (or other language meaning). -Vinny On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: Concerning "Aptitude" It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language. Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year 2001 the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed to mamboCMS. So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS - GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. Markus _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Tue Feb 16 11:41:57 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:41:57 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Based on some of the discussions around social networking for GL, a major question of whether this is a core component or is a standalone plugin are still not answered. The answer to the plugin vs. core question will drive the final architecture for this project. For our nex* products, we do a dependency check for any other required plugins and bail out of the install in the event that a dependency is missing. Likewise on other mainstream portals, many modules/plugins depend on functionality from elsewhere that is outside of core and will not install add-on products without those dependencies being met. That being said, I think anything for social networking should really be a plugin. The plugin would expose an api for managing permissions, groups etc etc. Any other plugin that wants to participate in social networking would list the socnet (not a bad name) plugin as a dependency. Static pages, calendar, polls etc would have to be revamped to be able to handle hook calls from the socnet plugin to secure/share content then. This way for the current install base of Geeklog, nobody is FORCED to incorporate social networking if they don't want to. Just my $0.00002. > The current problem is that it isn't possible to hook into the > permissions system currently to add friendship lists to the system. > Once that ability exists, every subsystem will need to determine "is > this something individual users should be able to add to their > profile?" Currently Geeklog is very admin oriented. You give discrete > abilities to a select few chosen people and they then pontificate to > your users. Social networking turns that on its ear. They are all > about allowing users to talk to other users without some > administrator vetting the content. From joe at ThrowingDice.com Tue Feb 16 13:12:51 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:12:51 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.c a> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 11:41 AM 2/16/2010, Randy Kolenko wrote: >a major question of whether this is a core component or is a >standalone plugin are still not answered. > >The plugin would expose an api for managing permissions, groups etc etc. If the groups aren't supported by core you lose all the security Geeklog is founded on. There is no question. Core must provide for user owned groups. This could be turned off globally to disable all social networking capabilities. But the basic call to COM_getPermSQL must support users' groups or a social plugin is a non-starter. I don't understand what the hesitancy is. There is nothing to the design: A grp_owner NUMBER(8) field must be added to gl_groups. Next, grp_gl_core must be made able to hold a 0, 1, or 2. 2 means it is a user group and should not show up in the Group Admin screen "normally". From there it's just a handful of code cleanup (and a few gotchas I'm sure) to handle grp_gl_core issues inside core. If the devteam feels that the bulk of social networking should be done in a plugin, this is the minimum core must provide. (There might need to be some tweaks to the profile display/edit code as well. I'm not sure.) If a plugin must be done, then the base socnet plugin would have to provide all the adding/modifying/removing of private groups code, hopefully in a slick AJAXy way. And it would need to create a notification mechanism so users can create/accep/deny friend requests. Then other plugins could be built on top of that to handle walls, blogs, etc. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Tue Feb 16 14:33:24 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:33:24 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A0@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > I don't understand what the hesitancy is. There is nothing to the > design: There is no hesitancy -- my thought is to simply let the community start to write add-on functionality instead of having it all in core. Opens this up to developers outside of the core. To continually jam optional functionality into core means that the development time for revisions of the socnet mechanism increases. The gsoc socnet project could easily be a plugin that is then maintained by the gsoc author, the mentor and anyone who *should* be leading that project. It allows more developers to join the community so they are not shut out of working on core. It begins the notion of building-blocks of functionality that are not contained in core. Reusable objects, routines etc. that are optional. Again, just my $0.02 worth. -randy From vfuria at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:55:32 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:55:32 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002161455l49213d86ned2c9afc1bc697c1@mail.gmail.com> Joe, Implementing the "user groups" into the core is one design possibility, but certainly not the only choice and perhaps not the best choice. The other option would be to have "user groups" implemented completely separately in its own plugin as suggested by Randy. I can think of many pros and cons to both approaches. I don't agree with the statement: > If the groups aren't supported by core you lose all the security Geeklog is > founded on. There is no question. > Why can't we implement "user groups" in a plugin and without compromising security? I think adding user groups into the existing (core) group model has at least an equal chance of introducing security holes as implementing these groups inside a plugin. Also, why is it the case: > But the basic call to COM_getPermSQL must support users' groups or a social > plugin is a non-starter. > With a plugin model, other plugins can be enhanced to check core geeklog group permissions as well "user groups". If user groups aren't supported, plugins can gracefully degrade to only supporting COM_getPermSQL. I'm not advocating one implementation or the other, I haven't given either enough thought to do so, but I think your stance of there being only way to implement this with no supporting evidence isn't valid. -Vinny On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Joe Mucchiello wrote: > At 11:41 AM 2/16/2010, Randy Kolenko wrote: > >> a major question of whether this is a core component or is a standalone >> plugin are still not answered. >> >> >> The plugin would expose an api for managing permissions, groups etc etc. >> > > If the groups aren't supported by core you lose all the security Geeklog is > founded on. There is no question. Core must provide for user owned groups. > This could be turned off globally to disable all social networking > capabilities. But the basic call to COM_getPermSQL must support users' > groups or a social plugin is a non-starter. > > I don't understand what the hesitancy is. There is nothing to the design: > > A grp_owner NUMBER(8) field must be added to gl_groups. Next, grp_gl_core > must be made able to hold a 0, 1, or 2. 2 means it is a user group and > should not show up in the Group Admin screen "normally". From there it's > just a handful of code cleanup (and a few gotchas I'm sure) to handle > grp_gl_core issues inside core. If the devteam feels that the bulk of social > networking should be done in a plugin, this is the minimum core must > provide. (There might need to be some tweaks to the profile display/edit > code as well. I'm not sure.) > > If a plugin must be done, then the base socnet plugin would have to provide > all the adding/modifying/removing of private groups code, hopefully in a > slick AJAXy way. And it would need to create a notification mechanism so > users can create/accep/deny friend requests. Then other plugins could be > built on top of that to handle walls, blogs, etc. > > > ---- > Joe Mucchiello > Throwing Dice Games > http://www.throwingdice.com > > > No virus found in this outgoing message > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). > > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at heatherengineering.com Tue Feb 16 22:02:44 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:02:44 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: > gCMS ? Your content, secured. My concern with a name like this is how do you say it? I'm not sure that the name needs to include CMS either. Feels too awkward to me. I also don't like Aptitude, for all the reasons that everyone else has mentioned. > Shortening the current name to something with GL in it is probably > preferable. I suggested "Glue" some years ago. I still like it. ;) But were we debating a complete name change, or just a slogan change? Euan. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 01:32, Randy Kolenko wrote: > I also vote for not using Aptitude as a replacement name. > > Shortening the current name to something with GL in it is probably > preferable. > > > > So, the question that is still outstanding is ?what is the slogan supposed > to do for Geeklog??.? Are we trying to make a claim?? Are we trying to make > it catchy?? Are we trying to be clever? > > > > Ditch the ?log? part of the name and make it simply gCMS.? The ?g? being a > carryover from bygone days and makes for good wiki fodder. > > > > gCMS ? Your content, secured. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Vincent Furia [mailto:vfuria at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:30 AM > To: Geeklog Development > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan which is a Claim > > > > I agree AptitudeCMS is confusing because of its similarity to the package > management application. But to say a brand name has to have meaning in every > language is limiting and has plenty of counter-examples. Not only are there > many companies whose names don't have meanings in several languages, but > there are plenty of brands whose name has no meaning in any language. > > > > If there was a great German name for Geeklog I'd be all for it. No matter > that it didn't have an English (or other language meaning). > > > > -Vinny > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Markus <1000ideen at gmx.de> wrote: > > Concerning "Aptitude" > > It is difficult to take a word that has a meaning in only one language. > Aptitude is not an internationally used word. Mambo is and in the year 2001 > the song Mambo No. 5 was a bestseller. I slowly begin to understand how > ingenious the naming of mambo was. It was only later that it was renamed to > mamboCMS. > > > So to me there is still the question if Geeklog will get an "add on" CMS - > GeeklogCMS? Then the claim would not need to repeat 'CMS'. > > Markus > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > From joe at ThrowingDice.com Tue Feb 16 23:10:50 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:10:50 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002161455l49213d86ned2c9afc1bc697c1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <8319e2d61002161455l49213d86ned2c9afc1bc697c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KXY00KZWWY7QU11@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 05:55 PM 2/16/2010, Vincent Furia wrote: >Also, why is it the case: >But the basic call to COM_getPermSQL must support users' groups or a >social plugin is a non-starter. > >With a plugin model, other plugins can be enhanced to check core >geeklog group permissions as well "user groups". Why duplicate the group structures? Why duplicate the code in COM_getPermSQL in a plugin? There already exists the 6 permissions fields found on most tables. Why not take advantage of the existing infrastructure? Why not take advantage of the existing and well known best practices? If the socnet plugin has to implement its own group handling code and its own permissions code why bother putting it on top of Geeklog? What is Geeklog providing besides login services at that point? The whole point of building social networking on Geeklog to be able to take advantage of stuff Geeklog already provides. >If user groups aren't supported, plugins can gracefully degrade to >only supporting COM_getPermSQL. Or there can just be one well-known, well-supported API that does it all for you and you don't to check first to see if this is a socnet enhanced object or not. The existing code just works. No need to gracefully degrade. The grace is built in. The code change I'm describing only involves tightening the existing code to make sure it makes "2" groups invisible on the admin side. No other changes are needed to support this idea. The alternative involves the socnet author writing a complete group system and permission system from scratch, basically duplicating a bunch of code that's been in production for around 10 years. You really think that makes more sense than enhancing the existing code in a few places? I would offer to write the patch but I don't have a good track record with getting my patches accepted into core. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From vfuria at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 00:39:31 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:39:31 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <0KXY00KZWWY7QU11@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <8319e2d61002161455l49213d86ned2c9afc1bc697c1@mail.gmail.com> <0KXY00KZWWY7QU11@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002162139t153593c1i1fb12b1b7ea6182b@mail.gmail.com> > > Why duplicate the group structures? Because Geeklog's group infrastructure is overkill for user groups. Presumably, user groups will only be granted read access (no edit) and only to the owning user's content single user's. User groups also don't need to be nested. Adding user groups to the core is going to make many of the SEC_ functions much more complicated, slowing them down for many sites that won't use the functionality. Also, more complicated code == more potential for bugs. Also, if you use the existing group structure on most tables (the 6 fields COM_getPermSQL deals in), you're actually going to lose flexibility. Those items only allow one group assignment. If you set that to a user group for read access, you lose the ability to have multiple people edit an item. If the socnet plugin has to implement its own group handling code and its > own permissions code why bother putting it on top of Geeklog? What is > Geeklog providing besides login services at that point? This point is obtuse. Geeklog will still provide much more than just login services. The code change I'm describing only involves tightening the existing code to > make sure it makes "2" groups invisible on the admin side. *No other > changes are needed to support this idea.* The alternative involves the > socnet author writing a complete group system and permission system from > scratch, basically duplicating a bunch of code that's been in production for > around 10 years. You really think that makes more sense than enhancing the > existing code in a few places? I think you're underestimating what core code will have to change to support this idea. I'm not saying we shouldn't put this into the core, but you're completely ignoring good, valid arguments to put this new functionality into a plugin. What is wrong with examining both options after there design implications have been fully evaluated (benefits and drawbacks) and deciding on that basis? -Vinny On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Joe Mucchiello wrote: > At 05:55 PM 2/16/2010, Vincent Furia wrote: > >> Also, why is it the case: >> But the basic call to COM_getPermSQL must support users' groups or a >> social plugin is a non-starter. >> >> With a plugin model, other plugins can be enhanced to check core geeklog >> group permissions as well "user groups". >> > > Why duplicate the group structures? Why duplicate the code in > COM_getPermSQL in a plugin? There already exists the 6 permissions fields > found on most tables. Why not take advantage of the existing infrastructure? > Why not take advantage of the existing and well known best practices? If the > socnet plugin has to implement its own group handling code and its own > permissions code why bother putting it on top of Geeklog? What is Geeklog > providing besides login services at that point? The whole point of building > social networking on Geeklog to be able to take advantage of stuff Geeklog > already provides. > > > If user groups aren't supported, plugins can gracefully degrade to only >> supporting COM_getPermSQL. >> > > Or there can just be one well-known, well-supported API that does it all > for you and you don't to check first to see if this is a socnet enhanced > object or not. The existing code just works. No need to gracefully degrade. > The grace is built in. > > The code change I'm describing only involves tightening the existing code > to make sure it makes "2" groups invisible on the admin side. No other > changes are needed to support this idea. The alternative involves the socnet > author writing a complete group system and permission system from scratch, > basically duplicating a bunch of code that's been in production for around > 10 years. You really think that makes more sense than enhancing the existing > code in a few places? > > I would offer to write the patch but I don't have a good track record with > getting my patches accepted into core. > > > ---- > Joe Mucchiello > Throwing Dice Games > http://www.throwingdice.com > > > No virus found in this outgoing message > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe at ThrowingDice.com Wed Feb 17 03:27:08 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:27:08 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002162139t153593c1i1fb12b1b7ea6182b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F11229F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KXY009MP59JSA20@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <8319e2d61002161455l49213d86ned2c9afc1bc697c1@mail.gmail.com> <0KXY00KZWWY7QU11@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <8319e2d61002162139t153593c1i1fb12b1b7ea6182b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KXZ006RV8TC0J21@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 12:39 AM 2/17/2010, Vincent Furia wrote: >Adding user groups to the core is going to make many of the SEC_ >functions much more complicated, slowing them down for many sites >that won't use the functionality. Also, more complicated code == >more potential for bugs. The following functions in lib-security are unchanged by my proposal SEC_groupIsRemoteUserAndHaveAccess, SEC_inGroup, SEC_isModerator, SEC_hasTopicAccess, SEC_hasAccess, SEC_hasAccess2, SEC_hasRights, SEC_getPermissionsHTML, SEC_getUserPermissions, SEC_getPermissionValues, SEC_getPermissionValue, SEC_getFeatureGroup, SEC_authenticate, SEC_checkUserStatus, SEC_remoteAuthentication, SEC_collectRemoteAuthenticationModules, SEC_setDefaultPermissions, SEC_buildAccessSql, SEC_removeFeatureFromDB, SEC_encryptPassword, SEC_createToken, SEC_checkToken, SEC_getTokenExpiryTime, SEC_getTokenExpiryNotice, SEC_setCookie, SEC_filterPermissions SEC_addUserToGroup < - - Totally unused by anything I'm aware of The following functions are changed: SEC_getUserGroups (to allow filtering out of groups based on their being user groups or not, default parameter would be no filter) SEC_getGroupDropdown (to call above with filter = 'grp_gl_core <> 2') Every call to those two functions in public_html/admin/*.php also probably needs to be modified. The number of calls to the two functions in the 1.6.1 tarball is about 40 of which only 10 need the filter based on my quick search through the code. This is the bulk of the patch that requires someone to spend a little time determining whether the filter should be included on the call. Adding a SEC_createSystemGroup function would be helpful so that stuff like admin/plugins.php's autoinstall function, admin/lib-install, admin/lib-upgrade (and user plugins) could safely create new administrative groups. (The function would also have a bool param to indicate whether or not to add ROOT to the group automatically.) Direct SQL calls targeting gl_groups and gl_group_assignments in public_html/admin/groups.php would need to have the user groups filtered out. The static SQL statements in geeklog/sql could be updated to explicitly set the new field on gl_groups to 0. But since the field would default to 0 that isn't strictly necessary. That is essentially the full extent of changes I was proposing for the patch. Very little new code is needed. None of the added code complicates the core significantly. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Wed Feb 17 07:47:00 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:47:00 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > I would offer to write the patch but I don't have a good track record > with getting my patches accepted into core. This statement is exactly why I propose to make this a plugin. The plugin can be maintained outside of core, freeing the author and contributors from the shackles of having to jam through unnecessary changes into the base code. The socnet plugin would then have a life of its own with a release cycle that matches how fast social networking changes rather than matching GL's release cycle. The core should be there to provide services for plugins. The plugins are what should extend functionality. Otherwise, why not just bundle back in static pages, calendar, polls etc. Socnet, for now, seems to be "simple" on the surface. Who knows what is actually required 6 months from now.. 10 months from now etc. Each additive requirement for socnet would mean core code changes. 2 years from now, I would hate to see functions like "COM_facebookLogin" and "COM_myspaceDeleteStuff" in lib common. -randy From chipper at llamas.net Wed Feb 17 09:22:40 2010 From: chipper at llamas.net (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:22:40 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100217142240.GA8709@chipsworld.llamas.net> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 07:47:00AM -0500, Randy Kolenko wrote: >> I would offer to write the patch but I don't have a good track record >> with getting my patches accepted into core. > >This statement is exactly why I propose to make this a plugin. >The plugin can be maintained outside of core, freeing the author and >contributors from the shackles of having to jam through unnecessary >changes into the base code. Joe didn't say socnet should not be a plugin. > >The socnet plugin would then have a life of its own with a release cycle >that matches how fast social networking changes rather than matching >GL's release cycle. > >The core should be there to provide services for plugins. The plugins >are what should extend functionality. Otherwise, why not just bundle >back in static pages, calendar, polls etc. 'provide services for plugins' like group storage? > >Socnet, for now, seems to be "simple" on the surface. Who knows what is >actually required 6 months from now.. 10 months from now etc. Each >additive requirement for socnet would mean core code changes. >2 years from now, I would hate to see functions like "COM_facebookLogin" >and "COM_myspaceDeleteStuff" in lib common. It isn't going to be simple if its done right, so Joe's point is this: with a small tweak to core you can re-use existing well established code for groups. period. Do I, a non-developer, need to spell out that less code means a higher eyes-to-code ratio and thus we maintain the high security standards that are being discussed in the name/slogan thread? > >-randy Chip -- ------ **** Warning **** This e-mail message, without warrant or warning, and despite US law as set forth in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, may be subject to monitoring by the United States National Security Agency and/or the Department of Defense. Information contained in this message may be used against any senders or recipients, now or in the future, in a public trial or secret tribunal. Please encrypt anything important. PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6CFA486D From websitemaster at cogeco.net Wed Feb 17 09:47:09 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:47:09 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <059801caafe0$1531f0d0$3f95d270$@net> I see benefits to both sides of the argument, but to be honest I feel that security is a responsibility of Geeklog. > The core should be there to provide services for plugins. I think this statement sums it up well. We pride ourselves on Geeklog's security and on it being secure (so much so it may become part of the slogan). It makes more sense to me, to include the basics of this in Geeklog than to let a plugin handle it. As far as the rest of the social networking functionality, it should be handled by plugins. In regards to my Facebook Connect idea, I would hate to see COM_facebookLogin in lib-common as well. Geeklog sites used by businesses would never need something like this. I haven't really looking into how Openid was implemented but I assumed Facebook Connect would be done in a similar manner. Maybe this process needs to be changed? I don't know as I haven't done any real research yet on how Facebook Connect is implemented and how Geeklog handles its different login procedures. I guess I have some reading to do ... :-) Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko Sent: February-17-10 7:47 AM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > I would offer to write the patch but I don't have a good track record > with getting my patches accepted into core. This statement is exactly why I propose to make this a plugin. The plugin can be maintained outside of core, freeing the author and contributors from the shackles of having to jam through unnecessary changes into the base code. The socnet plugin would then have a life of its own with a release cycle that matches how fast social networking changes rather than matching GL's release cycle. The core should be there to provide services for plugins. The plugins are what should extend functionality. Otherwise, why not just bundle back in static pages, calendar, polls etc. Socnet, for now, seems to be "simple" on the surface. Who knows what is actually required 6 months from now.. 10 months from now etc. Each additive requirement for socnet would mean core code changes. 2 years from now, I would hate to see functions like "COM_facebookLogin" and "COM_myspaceDeleteStuff" in lib common. -randy _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4873 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4874 (20100217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Wed Feb 17 11:18:54 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:18:54 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCnet -- was GSoC 2010 Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A4@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> By the way, finally, we're getting discussion on moving GL forward. This is a good thing regardless of what your opinion is towards ideas. This is how good products are developed. So, just further to this whole plugin (and socnet) concept: 1. I honestly could care less if socnet is part of core or a plugin. I strongly suggest the plugin route in order to decouple add-on functionality from core in order to have faster development cycles and some independence of design. 2. Based on Joe's proposal (and Joe, don't take this the wrong way), we have to start thinking about this a bit more. I think what's been discussed here is far too simplistic. How do we handle requests to join a group? (That would include requests FROM a group owner to a user and vice versa.) How do we handle blacklisting people? How do we handle a user removing themselves from a group for which they are not owner of? How do we handle administration of all of this? How do we manage privacy? How do I manage receiving email alerts for content added for groups I am a part of? All of that extra "stuff" would have to be part of core. 3. Up to this point in the GL world, plugins are mostly self-sufficient entities. There is next to zero collaborative abilities between them. What if I want comments on my ABC plugin page? Well, I have to write comment functionality myself. Comments on XYZ plugin? Well, I have to write that too. Why not have a comment plugin that can expose itself to other plugins via a hook based API controlled by core? Some form of PLG_ hook functionality to signal which plugin and the plugin's unique identifier is saving, editing, inserting or deleting content that other hooked plugins can listen for. Turn on/off hooked plugin functionality for your product through the online configuration for your plugin. It's a subscription of sorts. So, why not have a base socnet plugin and build your apps around that dependency? Just food for thought. Flame/critique away, but think architecturally and how to move GL forward that would intrigue other developers to write code for GL. Having 8-10 month development cycles for core would stagnate socnet and any other plugins out there. Socnet could easily race ahead to meet the needs of the community without hacking core. From dirk at haun-online.de Wed Feb 17 11:35:56 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:35:56 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on In-Reply-To: <059801caafe0$1531f0d0$3f95d270$@net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A3@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <059801caafe0$1531f0d0$3f95d270$@net> Message-ID: <20100217163556.658983271@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >I haven't really looking into how >Openid was implemented but I assumed Facebook Connect would be done in a >similar manner. Maybe this process needs to be changed? I don't know as I >haven't done any real research yet on how Facebook Connect is implemented >and how Geeklog handles its different login procedures. There's an API for remote authentication modules which are then simply dropped into system/classes/authentication http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Remote_Authentication The LDAP, LiveJournal, and the now defunct Blogger authentication modules were implemented that way. The OpenID login process, however, was too different from what that API allows and had to be hard-coded. I have never even used Facebook and have no idea how their login process works and whether or not it could use the remote authentication API ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://spam.tinyweb.net/ From jmucchiello at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 15:21:30 2010 From: jmucchiello at yahoo.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <664844.73425.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm away from my main email.... Randy wrote: > How do we handle requests to join a group? (That would include requests > FROM a group owner to a user and vice versa.) > How do we handle blacklisting people? How do we handle a user removing > themselves from a group for which they are not owner of? How do we > handle administration of all of this? How do we manage privacy? How do > I manage receiving email alerts for content added for groups I am a part > of? > All of that extra "stuff" would have to be part of core. No, none of it has to be in core. Since it sounds like a socnet plugin is desired, once my patch is made, core never has to care about social networking ever again. The socnet plugin would handle the friendship handshake, group management, etc. All that core has to do is treat group type "2" as something invisible to the administrators. (The socnet plugin can provide the ability to peak inside a group if needed since that is something a socnet admin would do.) Now you do bring up something that would nice to have in core: bulk email handling, queuing and throttling. But email features are useful outside of social networking. There is a feature request and I think a GSOC project for this as well. I've written many messages about email throttling in the past. Dirk wrote: > I have never even used Facebook and have no idea how their login process > works and whether or not it could use the remote authentication API ... I believe the Facebook Connect login works like OpenID does. Think about it from security: You do not provide your Facebook password to some random website so they can log you in to Facebook. Geeklog probably needs to overhaul this feature since the OpenID (and Facebook) model where you never, ever type your password into a 3rd party website makes a lot more sense from a security point of view than the Geeklog assumption that users will gladly provide some random Geeklog site with their livejournal login and password. From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Thu Feb 18 15:37:26 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:37:26 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > Now you do bring up something that would nice to have in core: bulk > email handling, queuing and throttling. But email features are useful > outside of social networking. There is a feature request and I think a > GSOC project for this as well. I've written many messages about email > throttling in the past. This is the whole point behind collaborative plugin architecture. There should be a messaging plugin that can handle email, facebook postings, twitter postings etc etc. The messaging plugin would then be responsible for maintaining what each end user wants to do with messages and content -- all the while allowing developers to piggy-back on that functionality. A collaborative plugin architecture would be a good GSoC project. Not sure how "appealing" it would be compared to socnet. By the way -- is that going to be the official name we give to the social networking project then? SocNet? -randy From dirk at haun-online.de Thu Feb 18 16:09:55 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:09:55 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100218210955.998046644@smtp.haun-online.de> Randy Kolenko wrote: >A collaborative plugin architecture would be a good GSoC project. Not >sure how "appealing" it would be compared to socnet. There's which is at least something in the same general direction. It did get some interest in past GSoCs. I've wondered if it wasn't a bit too complicated / over-designed, though. A simple queue mechanism would help a lot right now and would be easier to implement and immediately useful. Which is something I've added to the Brainstorming page. (but then again, maybe we're talking about different things?) >By the way -- is that going to be the official name we give to the >social networking project then? SocNet? Yay, another naming discussion ;-) Nah, sounds okay to me. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://spam.tinyweb.net/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Thu Feb 18 16:30:31 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:30:31 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> The name sounds good to me. So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) The basic core patch as described by Joe and then a SocNet plugin that handles the friends and groups admin and user UI stuff. Additional social networking features would then be handled by additional plugins which may be dependent on the SocNet plugin. Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko Sent: February-18-10 3:37 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > Now you do bring up something that would nice to have in core: bulk > email handling, queuing and throttling. But email features are useful > outside of social networking. There is a feature request and I think a > GSOC project for this as well. I've written many messages about email > throttling in the past. This is the whole point behind collaborative plugin architecture. There should be a messaging plugin that can handle email, facebook postings, twitter postings etc etc. The messaging plugin would then be responsible for maintaining what each end user wants to do with messages and content -- all the while allowing developers to piggy-back on that functionality. A collaborative plugin architecture would be a good GSoC project. Not sure how "appealing" it would be compared to socnet. By the way -- is that going to be the official name we give to the social networking project then? SocNet? -randy _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4878 (20100218) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dirk at haun-online.de Thu Feb 18 17:15:18 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:15:18 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Okay, let's see. From the suggestions so far, I like The secure CMS. and The Safer CMS Simple and highlighting what we think is our main selling point. Maybe I like "safer" slightly better - it's not an absolute claim and doesn't rely on the overused(?) "security" buzzword. Of the other ideas, I thought We do content management right was an interesting direction. Maybe in the form Content Management done right. But then again I'm pretty sure I've heard that "... done right" before somewhere (but where?). Honorable mention of the idea with the "rotating" slogans. I haven't seen a good pattern for those, though. We seem to have enough problems coming up with one good slogan - finding a handful to rotate through is even harder. What do the others think? Did I miss anyone's particular favorite? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From info at heatherengineering.com Thu Feb 18 21:39:05 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:39:05 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: > The secure CMS. > > and > > The Safer CMS Of these two, the former is a bit of a strong claim. "safer" is a little more realistic - it admits that nothing is ever truly safe. But is that really what is wanted in a marketing claim? I think either would be a great improvement on the current slogan. Euan. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:15, Dirk Haun wrote: > Okay, let's see. From the suggestions so far, I like > > ?The secure CMS. > > and > > ?The Safer CMS > > Simple and highlighting what we think is our main selling point. Maybe I > like "safer" slightly better - it's not an absolute claim and doesn't > rely on the overused(?) "security" buzzword. > > Of the other ideas, I thought > > ?We do content management right > > was an interesting direction. Maybe in the form > > ?Content Management done right. > > But then again I'm pretty sure I've heard that "... done right" before > somewhere (but where?). > > Honorable mention of the idea with the "rotating" slogans. I haven't > seen a good pattern for those, though. We seem to have enough problems > coming up with one good slogan - finding a handful to rotate through is > even harder. > > What do the others think? Did I miss anyone's particular favorite? > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From joe at ThrowingDice.com Thu Feb 18 23:08:23 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:08:23 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.c a> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <0KY200KXPM6664V0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 03:37 PM 2/18/2010, Randy Kolenko wrote: > > Now you do bring up something that would nice to have in core: bulk > > email handling, queuing and throttling. But email features are useful > > outside of social networking. There is a feature request and I think a > > GSOC project for this as well. I've written many messages about email > > throttling in the past. > >The messaging plugin would then be responsible for maintaining what each >end user wants to do with messages and content -- all the while allowing >developers to piggy-back on that functionality. I was referring specifically to email. It is a Geeklog issue. Getting email notifications for someone responding to a story has nothing really to do with socnet. The email issue is a technical issue that has been talked about several times in the past few years. First, when Geeklog sends out an email there is no record of it anywhere. So if you are getting notifications for several objects, all of them will generate discrete emails. That is very annoying to some people. Second, some hosting plans limit the number of email you can send on an hourly and daily basis (for spam prevention purposes). So an admin might want to throttle how many emails are sent within a set period of time to avoid getting his site shutdown or paying extra fees. As you can see, in this context, email is not a social networking issue. It is a core issue and calls to COM_email should be able to provide email queuing, bulking and throttling services as specified by the admin. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.0.0.19 - 10.004.153). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From komma at ivywe.co.jp Fri Feb 19 01:06:07 2010 From: komma at ivywe.co.jp (=?UTF-8?B?5LuK6aeSQEl2eVdl?=) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:06:07 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: Hi, Geeklog is not so bad name, I think. 'Geek' means good nuance in these years in Japan. 'The Ultimate Weblog System' I like this slogan, too... bye, Ivy -- Ivy http://www.geeklog.jp http://www.ivywe.co.jp 2010/2/19 Euan McKay : >> ?The secure CMS. >> >> and >> >> ?The Safer CMS > > Of these two, the former is a bit of a strong claim. "safer" is a > little more realistic - it admits that nothing is ever truly safe. But > is that really what is wanted in a marketing claim? > > I think either would be a great improvement on the current slogan. > > Euan. > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:15, Dirk Haun wrote: >> Okay, let's see. From the suggestions so far, I like >> >> ?The secure CMS. >> >> and >> >> ?The Safer CMS >> >> Simple and highlighting what we think is our main selling point. Maybe I >> like "safer" slightly better - it's not an absolute claim and doesn't >> rely on the overused(?) "security" buzzword. >> >> Of the other ideas, I thought >> >> ?We do content management right >> >> was an interesting direction. Maybe in the form >> >> ?Content Management done right. >> >> But then again I'm pretty sure I've heard that "... done right" before >> somewhere (but where?). >> >> Honorable mention of the idea with the "rotating" slogans. I haven't >> seen a good pattern for those, though. We seem to have enough problems >> coming up with one good slogan - finding a handful to rotate through is >> even harder. >> >> What do the others think? Did I miss anyone's particular favorite? >> >> bye, Dirk >> >> >> -- >> http://www.geeklog.net/ >> http://geeklog.info/ >> From moulyg at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 10:09:10 2010 From: moulyg at gmail.com (Mouly Gunarathne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:39:10 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f1431b81002190709g67458dd3ycacc57e2ae303ffe@mail.gmail.com> facebook has their own web services we can acess them... its like twitter i think I have worked on twitter.... so we can get username and the password of the facebook when they are registetring or after....... @ Dirk I am also thinking about security.......it should bevery important point and the other one is will user give their passwrod to a 3rd party web site... I think if they have advantages they will On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM, wrote: > Send geeklog-devel mailing list submissions to > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > geeklog-devel-request at lists.geeklog.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > geeklog-devel-owner at lists.geeklog.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of geeklog-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SOCnet -- was GSoC 2010 (Randy Kolenko) > 2. Re: GSoC 2010 is on (Dirk Haun) > 3. SOCNET (Joe Mucchiello) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:18:54 -0500 > From: "Randy Kolenko" > Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCnet -- was GSoC 2010 > To: "Geeklog Development" > Message-ID: > <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F1122A4 at nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > By the way, finally, we're getting discussion on moving GL forward. This > is a good thing regardless of what your opinion is towards ideas. This > is how good products are developed. > > So, just further to this whole plugin (and socnet) concept: > > 1. I honestly could care less if socnet is part of core or a plugin. I > strongly suggest the plugin route in order to decouple add-on > functionality from core in order to have faster development cycles and > some independence of design. > > 2. Based on Joe's proposal (and Joe, don't take this the wrong way), we > have to start thinking about this a bit more. I think what's been > discussed here is far too simplistic. > How do we handle requests to join a group? (That would include requests > FROM a group owner to a user and vice versa.) > How do we handle blacklisting people? How do we handle a user removing > themselves from a group for which they are not owner of? How do we > handle administration of all of this? How do we manage privacy? How do > I manage receiving email alerts for content added for groups I am a part > of? > All of that extra "stuff" would have to be part of core. > > 3. Up to this point in the GL world, plugins are mostly self-sufficient > entities. There is next to zero collaborative abilities between them. > What if I want comments on my ABC plugin page? Well, I have to write > comment functionality myself. Comments on XYZ plugin? Well, I have to > write that too. Why not have a comment plugin that can expose itself to > other plugins via a hook based API controlled by core? Some form of PLG_ > hook functionality to signal which plugin and the plugin's unique > identifier is saving, editing, inserting or deleting content that other > hooked plugins can listen for. > Turn on/off hooked plugin functionality for your product through the > online configuration for your plugin. It's a subscription of sorts. > So, why not have a base socnet plugin and build your apps around that > dependency? Just food for thought. > > Flame/critique away, but think architecturally and how to move GL > forward that would intrigue other developers to write code for GL. > Having 8-10 month development cycles for core would stagnate socnet and > any other plugins out there. Socnet could easily race ahead to meet the > needs of the community without hacking core. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:35:56 +0100 > From: "Dirk Haun" > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC 2010 is on > To: geeklog-devel > Message-ID: <20100217163556.658983271 at smtp.haun-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Tom wrote: > > >I haven't really looking into how > >Openid was implemented but I assumed Facebook Connect would be done in a > >similar manner. Maybe this process needs to be changed? I don't know as I > >haven't done any real research yet on how Facebook Connect is implemented > >and how Geeklog handles its different login procedures. > > There's an API for remote authentication modules which are then simply > dropped into system/classes/authentication > > http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Remote_Authentication > > The LDAP, LiveJournal, and the now defunct Blogger authentication > modules were implemented that way. > > The OpenID login process, however, was too different from what that API > allows and had to be hard-coded. > > I have never even used Facebook and have no idea how their login process > works and whether or not it could use the remote authentication API ... > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://spam.tinyweb.net/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Joe Mucchiello > Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > Message-ID: <664844.73425.qm at web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm away from my main email.... > > Randy wrote: > > How do we handle requests to join a group? (That would include requests > > FROM a group owner to a user and vice versa.) > > How do we handle blacklisting people? How do we handle a user removing > > themselves from a group for which they are not owner of? How do we > > handle administration of all of this? How do we manage privacy? How do > > I manage receiving email alerts for content added for groups I am a part > > of? > > All of that extra "stuff" would have to be part of core. > > > No, none of it has to be in core. Since it sounds like a socnet plugin is > desired, once my patch is made, core never has to care about social > networking ever again. The socnet plugin would handle the friendship > handshake, group management, etc. All that core has to do is treat group > type "2" as something invisible to the administrators. (The socnet plugin > can provide the ability to peak inside a group if needed since that is > something a socnet admin would do.) > > Now you do bring up something that would nice to have in core: bulk email > handling, queuing and throttling. But email features are useful outside of > social networking. There is a feature request and I think a GSOC project for > this as well. I've written many messages about email throttling in the past. > > > Dirk wrote: > > I have never even used Facebook and have no idea how their login process > > works and whether or not it could use the remote authentication API ... > > I believe the Facebook Connect login works like OpenID does. Think about it > from security: You do not provide your Facebook password to some random > website so they can log you in to Facebook. Geeklog probably needs to > overhaul this feature since the OpenID (and Facebook) model where you never, > ever type your password into a 3rd party website makes a lot more sense from > a security point of view than the Geeklog assumption that users will gladly > provide some random Geeklog site with their livejournal login and password. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > End of geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 > ********************************************* > -- Mouly Gunarathne Department of Computer Engineering University of Peradeniya gsnm4u.uuuq.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 19 12:39:00 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:39:00 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> Message-ID: <20100219173900.1596419966@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) I've stayed on the sidelines for this discussion, but it always felt "natural" for me that some of the required functionality would have to be implemented in the core. There may even be uses for this outside of a full-blown "social" site. For example, while groups can easily be mapped to departments of an organization, in real life the borders are often not so clear cut. So the option to allow access to "all members of the Marketing group - and Bob and Jill" could come in handy. So maybe don't call it a "friend" in the implementation ;-) bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 19 12:44:15 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:44:15 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <1f1431b81002190709g67458dd3ycacc57e2ae303ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f1431b81002190709g67458dd3ycacc57e2ae303ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219174415.1914727739@smtp.haun-online.de> Mouly Gunarathne wrote: >@ Dirk I am also thinking about security.......it should bevery important >point and the other one is will user give their passwrod to a 3rd party web >site... Yeah, that's the scary part of the remote authentication - a malicious site admin could get their user's passwords :-/ OpenID has a better solution for that. How does Facebook handle it? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From jmucchiello at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 16:01:25 2010 From: jmucchiello at yahoo.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:01:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <867082.92979.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dirk wrote: > There may even be uses for this outside of a full-blown "social" site. > > For example, while groups can easily be mapped to departments of an > organization, in real life the borders are often not so clear cut. So > the option to allow access to "all members of the Marketing group - and > Bob and Jill" could come in handy. > > So maybe don't call it a "friend" in the implementation ;-) "Friends" are not mentioned anywhere in the core patch I've described. That would be handled by the socnet plugin. Actually an exchange Blaine and I once had in the forums is more appropriate to "departments" at a company. http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=78544 Using my proposed patch, the socnet plugin could implement friends for social networking plugins to use and a completely separate "departments" plugin could use the same core group extensions to implement what you are talking about. From tcsp1900 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:22:03 2010 From: tcsp1900 at hotmail.com (Tim Patrick) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just my two cents. One way to make development alot more likeable for developers is to give them a much more standard framework. While being able to create a plugin like 10 different ways is cool, it really confuses the end developer. If they have a strict framework that gives them everything they need and is very easy to use, they will be alot happier and more inclined to develop. Sure it will take alot more development work on our parts to create such a developer friendly framework, but it would be more inviting to developers. - Tim _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 19 18:16:48 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:16:48 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100219231648.73831505@smtp.haun-online.de> Tim Patrick wrote: >One way to make development alot more likeable for developers is to give >them a much more standard framework. While being able to create a plugin >like 10 different ways is cool, it really confuses the end developer. Well, there's all sorts of plugins - small ones that only implement one function as well as big ones, like the Forum or Media Gallery. They have quite different requirements, obviously. >Sure it will take alot more development work on our parts to create such >a developer friendly framework, but it would be more inviting to developers. The Plugin Toolkit was meant as a starting point for plugin development: http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Plugin_Toolkit It could use some work, but at least it gives you a skeleton plugin to start with. Of course, our documentation of the Plugin API is in desperate need of on overhaul, which doesn't exactly make it easier to get into plugin development ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Sat Feb 20 09:16:18 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:16:18 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <20100219174415.1914727739@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <1f1431b81002190709g67458dd3ycacc57e2ae303ffe@mail.gmail.com> <20100219174415.1914727739@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <018e01cab237$452bbc40$cf8334c0$@net> Here is a very basic implementation. http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Connect/Setting_Up_Your_Site With Facebook Connect you actually don't enter your username and password on the site. When you click the Facebook Connect button (use Digg.com for example) it brings up a separate browser window from Facebook itself. If you are already logged into Facebook, Facebook then asks if this is the account you wish to connect with. If you are not logged in, it then asks you for your Facebook username and password. On the 3 sites I use Facebook Connect with it all works the same way. I believe Twitter works in a similar manner http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter http://mashable.com/2009/04/18/twitter-facebook-connect/ Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun Sent: February-19-10 12:44 PM To: geeklog-devel Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 Mouly Gunarathne wrote: >@ Dirk I am also thinking about security.......it should bevery important >point and the other one is will user give their passwrod to a 3rd party web >site... Yeah, that's the scary part of the remote authentication - a malicious site admin could get their user's passwords :-/ OpenID has a better solution for that. How does Facebook handle it? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4881 (20100219) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4882 (20100220) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dirk at haun-online.de Sat Feb 20 12:09:27 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:09:27 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <018e01cab237$452bbc40$cf8334c0$@net> References: <1f1431b81002190 709g67458dd3ycacc57e2ae303ffe@mail.gmail.com> <20100219174415.1914727739@smtp.haun-online.de> <018e01cab237$452bbc40$cf8334c0$@net> Message-ID: <20100220170927.1934424707@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Connect/Setting_Up_Your_Site Appears to be down right now ... >I believe Twitter works in a similar manner > >http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Sign-in-with-Twitter That article mentions OAuth. So maybe there's a need here for a new type of API for these sorts of remote authentication services (which could then also cover OpenID again). Not sure if the definition of such an API should be part of a GSoC project, but it's certainly related. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Sat Feb 20 13:22:15 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:22:15 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Number of users in Admin block Message-ID: <20100220182215.2044202359@smtp.haun-online.de> Quick question: The "Users" entry in the Admin block currently counts _all_ user accounts (minus the one for the Anonymous user). I'm thinking of changing this to only count users with status "active", i.e. exclude users who never logged in or were banned. Any objections? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From rob.howard at kwfs.info Sat Feb 20 18:14:09 2010 From: rob.howard at kwfs.info (Rob Howard - KWFS) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:14:09 -0000 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Number of users in Admin block In-Reply-To: <20100220182215.2044202359@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100220182215.2044202359@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: Sounds like a good idea, or we could have the number of register users and then the active users in brackets i.e Users: 105 (95) Thanks, Rob Howard Site Owner e : rob.howard at kwfs.info w : www.kwfs.info -------------------------- ********************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender as soon as possible. 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Any objections? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From trinity93 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 03:26:45 2010 From: trinity93 at gmail.com (Trinity) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:26:45 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: you could also use the vauge "it" and say "We do it right" Trinity On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: > Okay, let's see. From the suggestions so far, I like > > The secure CMS. > > and > > The Safer CMS > > Simple and highlighting what we think is our main selling point. Maybe I > like "safer" slightly better - it's not an absolute claim and doesn't > rely on the overused(?) "security" buzzword. > > Of the other ideas, I thought > > We do content management right > > was an interesting direction. Maybe in the form > > Content Management done right. > > But then again I'm pretty sure I've heard that "... done right" before > somewhere (but where?). > > Honorable mention of the idea with the "rotating" slogans. I haven't > seen a good pattern for those, though. We seem to have enough problems > coming up with one good slogan - finding a handful to rotate through is > even harder. > > What do the others think? Did I miss anyone's particular favorite? > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trinity93 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 03:30:28 2010 From: trinity93 at gmail.com (Trinity) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:30:28 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: oh one more thing this concept was used with coke with the slogan "its the real thing" in that it stired a sense of mystery in those who didnt drink coke and it at the same time reenforced the name brand in that every one who drank coke knew what "it" was as if you were special for knowing what "it " was On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Trinity wrote: > you could also use the vauge "it" and say "We do it right" > > Trinity > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: > >> Okay, let's see. From the suggestions so far, I like >> >> The secure CMS. >> >> and >> >> The Safer CMS >> >> Simple and highlighting what we think is our main selling point. Maybe I >> like "safer" slightly better - it's not an absolute claim and doesn't >> rely on the overused(?) "security" buzzword. >> >> Of the other ideas, I thought >> >> We do content management right >> >> was an interesting direction. Maybe in the form >> >> Content Management done right. >> >> But then again I'm pretty sure I've heard that "... done right" before >> somewhere (but where?). >> >> Honorable mention of the idea with the "rotating" slogans. I haven't >> seen a good pattern for those, though. We seem to have enough problems >> coming up with one good slogan - finding a handful to rotate through is >> even harder. >> >> What do the others think? Did I miss anyone's particular favorite? >> >> bye, Dirk >> >> >> -- >> http://www.geeklog.net/ >> http://geeklog.info/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Sun Feb 21 05:36:38 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:36:38 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Number of users in Admin block In-Reply-To: References: <20100220182215.2044202359@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100221103638.1900244314@smtp.haun-online.de> Rob Howard - KWFS wrote: >Sounds like a good idea, or we could have the number of register users and >then the active users in brackets i.e > >Users: 105 (95) Both numbers would have to go between the brackets, e.g. (105 / 95). But that gets a bit wide when you are up to 5-digit numbers ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Sun Feb 21 14:36:44 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:36:44 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Fwd: Geeklog Comments Message-ID: <20100221193644.219566166@smtp.haun-online.de> Forwarding this to the list to get some feedback from plugin authors. This is about getting plugin comments into the What's New block, http://project.geeklog.net/tracking/view.php?id=835 My gut feeling seems to advise against relying on SQL provided by the plugin. But the alternative would require more work in the plugins. ---------------- Anfang Weiterleitung ---------------- Betreff: Geeklog Comments Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Februar 2010 13:56 Uhr Von: Tom An: 'Dirk Haun' Hey Dirk, I have been looking at the What's New Block to add comment support for more than just Stories. Returning the newest comments for plugins is easy but then you start to run into problems when handling things like, what table do you use to access the parent item, permissions of the parent item or any other status variables (similar to the draft flag for stories). I think the best approach would be to create a new plugin api for this called PLG_getWhatsNewComment There is 2 ways it could work. The easiest would be that it would just return an array of SELECT statement(s) similar to stories $sql['mysql'] = "SELECT DISTINCT COUNT(*) AS count,{$_TABLES['stories']}.title,t.sid,max(t.date) AS lastdate FROM {$_TABLES['trackback']} AS t,{$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE (t.type = 'article') AND (t.sid = {$_TABLES['stories']}.sid) AND (t.date >= (DATE_SUB(NOW(), INTERVAL {$_CONF['newtrackbackinterval']} SECOND)))" . COM_getPermSQL( 'AND', 0, 2, $_TABLES['stories'] ) . " AND ({$_TABLES['stories']}.draft_flag = 0) AND ({$_TABLES['stories']}.trackbackcode = 0)" . $topicsql . COM_getLangSQL( 'sid', 'AND', $_TABLES['stories'] ) . " GROUP BY t.sid, {$_TABLES['stories']}.title ORDER BY lastdate DESC LIMIT 15"; That select statement would then be executed by COM_whatsNewBlock and It would then use the current What's New Block comment code (with a few tweaks) to create the list. I would use PLG_getItemInfo to create the links to the comments. The second solution would have PLG_getWhatsNewComment to do all of the work, create the select statement, execute and then create the list (similar to how PLG_getWhatsNew works). What do you think? Tom ----------------- Ende Weiterleitung ----------------- -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From joe at ThrowingDice.com Sun Feb 21 15:13:51 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:13:51 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Fwd: Geeklog Comments In-Reply-To: <20100221193644.219566166@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100221193644.219566166@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <0KY700E46K8VRUP0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> I'm confused. Isn't this what the PLG_getItemInfo is for? The what's new block should take the type and sid info from the comments table and query the plugin for the item's title. This eliminates all permissions and status problems completely. Perhaps, you might modify PLG_getItemInfo so that $id could be an array of ids (or create a PLG_getItemSinfo if you don't want to change the interface) so the plugin could optimize the SQL required. But that is a different issue. I'd hate to see another plugin api for the what's new block. At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: >Forwarding this to the list to get some feedback from plugin authors. >This is about getting plugin comments into the What's New block, >http://project.geeklog.net/tracking/view.php?id=835 > >My gut feeling seems to advise against relying on SQL provided by the >plugin. But the alternative would require more work in the plugins. > >---------------- Anfang Weiterleitung ---------------- >Betreff: Geeklog Comments >Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Februar 2010 13:56 Uhr >Von: Tom >An: 'Dirk Haun' > >Hey Dirk, > >I have been looking at the What's New Block to add comment support for more >than just Stories. > >Returning the newest comments for plugins is easy but then you start to run >into problems when handling things like, what table do you use to access the >parent item, permissions of the parent item or any other status variables >(similar to the draft flag for stories). > >I think the best approach would be to create a new plugin api for this >called PLG_getWhatsNewComment ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com From dirk at haun-online.de Mon Feb 22 01:49:55 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:49:55 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100222064955.1860657530@smtp.haun-online.de> Euan McKay wrote: >Of these two, the former is a bit of a strong claim. "safer" is a >little more realistic - it admits that nothing is ever truly safe. But >is that really what is wanted in a marketing claim? Yep, "safer" is the weaker claim. I'm wondering, though, what damage the stronger claim would take in case of an (inevitable) new security issue. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From joe at ThrowingDice.com Mon Feb 22 03:42:10 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:42:10 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100222064955.1860657530@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100222064955.1860657530@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <0KY800H52IXSA5L0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 01:49 AM 2/22/2010, Dirk Haun wrote: >Euan McKay wrote: > > >Of these two, the former is a bit of a strong claim. "safer" is a > >little more realistic - it admits that nothing is ever truly safe. But > >is that really what is wanted in a marketing claim? > >Yep, "safer" is the weaker claim. I'm wondering, though, what damage the >stronger claim would take in case of an (inevitable) new security issue. That perhaps is solved with a good static page/FAQ where it is pointed out that security is a not a state of being. Security is a process. And Geeklog has a long standing process for handling exploits as they are discovered. That's one way to deal with it. The problem with safer is it doesn't mean anything. Safer than what? Safer FROM what? Secure has a meaning that does not require clarification. ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com From 1000ideen at gmx.de Mon Feb 22 07:14:10 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:14:10 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] The Slogan In-Reply-To: <20100222064955.1860657530@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100205221210.1110474281@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100218221518.659245466@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100222064955.1860657530@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100222131410.90958755pcqxac5u@www.mail-interface.de> That`s why I wrote this before: -> What has to be transmitted is the feeling of security or as for me 'reliability'. Reliability is when GL becomes insecure but one can rely on quick security fixes or a quick reply on the forum or a long term support etc. That is reliability. Nothing is always safe of secure but software reliability is a known term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_quality#Software_reliability Markus > Euan McKay wrote: > >> Of these two, the former is a bit of a strong claim. "safer" is a >> little more realistic - it admits that nothing is ever truly safe. But >> is that really what is wanted in a marketing claim? Zitat von Dirk Haun: > Yep, "safer" is the weaker claim. I'm wondering, though, what damage the > stronger claim would take in case of an (inevitable) new security issue. From websitemaster at cogeco.net Mon Feb 22 08:57:59 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:57:59 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Fwd: Geeklog Comments In-Reply-To: <0KY700E46K8VRUP0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <20100221193644.219566166@smtp.haun-online.de> <0KY700E46K8VRUP0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <02de01cab3c7$0b18d100$214a7300$@net> I had thought of using PLG_getItemInfo for this but as you said it needs modification (which I am not against), and since it deals specifically with comments and the What's new block, and I don't see this type of information being needed by anything else, I didn't think PLG_getItemInfo was the spot to put this functionality. I could also just reuse PLG_getWhatsNew and add a flag to it to return just comment information. This may be the best route actually. Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Joe Mucchiello Sent: February-21-10 3:14 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Fwd: Geeklog Comments I'm confused. Isn't this what the PLG_getItemInfo is for? The what's new block should take the type and sid info from the comments table and query the plugin for the item's title. This eliminates all permissions and status problems completely. Perhaps, you might modify PLG_getItemInfo so that $id could be an array of ids (or create a PLG_getItemSinfo if you don't want to change the interface) so the plugin could optimize the SQL required. But that is a different issue. I'd hate to see another plugin api for the what's new block. At 02:36 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: >Forwarding this to the list to get some feedback from plugin authors. >This is about getting plugin comments into the What's New block, >http://project.geeklog.net/tracking/view.php?id=835 > >My gut feeling seems to advise against relying on SQL provided by the >plugin. But the alternative would require more work in the plugins. > >---------------- Anfang Weiterleitung ---------------- >Betreff: Geeklog Comments >Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Februar 2010 13:56 Uhr >Von: Tom >An: 'Dirk Haun' > >Hey Dirk, > >I have been looking at the What's New Block to add comment support for more >than just Stories. > >Returning the newest comments for plugins is easy but then you start to run >into problems when handling things like, what table do you use to access the >parent item, permissions of the parent item or any other status variables >(similar to the draft flag for stories). > >I think the best approach would be to create a new plugin api for this >called PLG_getWhatsNewComment ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4885 (20100221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4886 (20100222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From cordiste at free.fr Mon Feb 22 10:20:45 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:20:45 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas In-Reply-To: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> Just a note : I do not see the Improve Multilingual feature for this year http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_improve_multilingual_feature ::Ben 2010/2/14 Dirk Haun > I've added two more (mostly) fleshed-out project ideas to our GSoC page > and I think we could use another two or so. Looking through the > "Brainstorming" page, though, those all look like they should take about > a month to implement, i.e. they are too small for GSoC[1]. > > Could those that are willing to (co-)mentor please have a look and see > if they have anything to add? Thanks. > > http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code > > bye, Dirk > > [1] so maybe if they don't end up as GSoC projects, they could become > bounty projects, backed by some generous bounty > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Mon Feb 22 14:18:40 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:18:40 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100222191840.303496652@smtp.haun-online.de> cordiste wrote: >Just a note : I do not see the Improve Multilingual feature for this year That's because we will address it outside of GSoC. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From cordiste at free.fr Mon Feb 22 16:12:26 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:12:26 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas In-Reply-To: <20100222191840.303496652@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> <20100222191840.303496652@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002221312p1300c75cw6fa37f0985535058@mail.gmail.com> Would it be an improvement for the next release? ::Ben 2010/2/22 Dirk Haun > cordiste wrote: > > >Just a note : I do not see the Improve Multilingual feature for this year > > That's because we will address it outside of GSoC. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 23 01:55:29 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:55:29 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002221312p1300c75cw6fa37f0985535058@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> <20100222191840.303496652@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002221312p1300c75cw6fa37f0985535058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100223065529.1527569896@smtp.haun-online.de> cordiste wrote: >Would it be an improvement for the next release? I'm afraid not. Later this year, I would hope. Sorry for being cryptic :) I should have a better idea of how things are going in two weeks or so. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 23 16:08:01 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:08:01 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> Message-ID: <20100223210801.1570242033@smtp.haun-online.de> Tom wrote: >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Tue Feb 23 16:25:08 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:25:08 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357094@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> I can take a crack at a writeup for it. I won't have time to touch it for a few days for sure. I can also mentor this. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:08 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > Tom wrote: > > >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) > > So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, > ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From dirk at haun-online.de Tue Feb 23 16:52:44 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:52:44 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357094@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357094@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100223215244.2127996299@smtp.haun-online.de> Randy Kolenko wrote: >I can take a crack at a writeup for it. I won't have time to touch it >for a few days for sure. >I can also mentor this. Cool. Do you have a wiki account yet? I don't see a Randy or rkolenko in the user list. bye, Dirk P.S. Application for organisations starts on March 8, so we have a week and a half to come up with some more (fully fleshed-out, preferably) project ideas. -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From vfuria at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:59:54 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:59:54 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <20100223210801.1570242033@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35707F@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <005001cab0e1$98e49d90$caadd8b0$@net> <20100223210801.1570242033@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002231359m1919fb2ap7087875a6e450109@mail.gmail.com> Dirk, Did you want me to do a more formal write up for the calendar plugin idea with its own wiki page? -Vinny On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Dirk Haun wrote: > Tom wrote: > > >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) > > So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, > ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I may have to add a few things, but I think the items we have listed on the brainstorming page right now cover the most important features. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Wed Feb 24 08:40:10 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:40:10 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> For the configuration GUI project, there should be a caching mechanism put into scope so that we can reduce the amount of times the config class has to hit the database to pull configuration parameters out of it. The resulting cached output would be generated in a file outside of web root. Likewise a clear-cache mechanism should also be implemented so that the config class can pick up the changes that have been made. Cache would probably be cleared each time the config is saved. This would happen a lot during configuration times but rarely whenever the site is up and running. Just a thought to make that project a bit more challenging and also more useful in the long run. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:14 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > Vincent Furia wrote: > > >Did you want me to do a more formal write up for the calendar plugin > idea > >with its own wiki page? > > That would be great. I may have to add a few things, but I think the > items we have listed on the brainstorming page right now cover the most > important features. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From cordiste at free.fr Wed Feb 24 10:37:51 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:37:51 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC project ideas In-Reply-To: <20100223065529.1527569896@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100214120035.1334266142@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002220720k6cf01724o8c6a333324fb2bb0@mail.gmail.com> <20100222191840.303496652@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002221312p1300c75cw6fa37f0985535058@mail.gmail.com> <20100223065529.1527569896@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002240737xaa07258r9f141c793b892353@mail.gmail.com> So we will wait for this improvement. Could we ask this year to GSOC students to write the documentation to their work on http://wiki.geeklog.net? ::Ben 2010/2/23 Dirk Haun > cordiste wrote: > > >Would it be an improvement for the next release? > > I'm afraid not. Later this year, I would hope. > > Sorry for being cryptic :) I should have a better idea of how things are > going in two weeks or so. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cordiste at free.fr Wed Feb 24 12:25:07 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:25:07 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Student Requirements In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002240800u2954c34agc3bd2f2c623c026f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8319e2d61002240800u2954c34agc3bd2f2c623c026f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <364575ed1002240925j471fbc87mb104ac08854b1058@mail.gmail.com> 3. Yes community could know what the students are working on. A story every week or two on geeklog.net will be appreciate. >> "This Week in Geeklog Dev - week ending Saturday 27th February 2010" ::Ben 2010/2/24 Vincent Furia > > We should also start brainstorming requirements for our GSOC students. To kick things off, here is a list of things we've previously discussed: > > A testing/development environment needs to be up and running before the start of coding. > All code needs to be kept in the repository, push's should happen at LEAST weekly. > A weekly report to your mentor (and/or the Geeklog community as a whole?). We discussed coming up with a formal outline for such reports. Is there still interest in doing so? > The last two weeks of coding should be reserved for "integration and test" so GSoC changes can make it into the main repository. > ??? > Profit! > > -Vinny > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From vfuria at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 13:29:39 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:29:39 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin Message-ID: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_calendar_plugin Input welcome. -Vinny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Wed Feb 24 14:23:09 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:23:09 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Config caching (was: SOCNET) In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100224192309.443015350@smtp.haun-online.de> Randy Kolenko wrote: >For the configuration GUI project, there should be a caching mechanism >put into scope so that we can reduce the amount of times the config >class has to hit the database to pull configuration parameters out of >it. >The resulting cached output would be generated in a file outside of web >root. There's already a patch for that: http://project.geeklog.net/tracking/view.php?id=751 But I'll have to ask the same question as in the bugtracker issue: Is there any evidence that this is a real problem? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Wed Feb 24 14:36:56 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:36:56 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Student Requirements In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002240800u2954c34agc3bd2f2c623c026f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8319e2d61002240800u2954c34agc3bd2f2c623c026f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100224193656.1277045918@smtp.haun-online.de> Vincent Furia wrote: > 1. A testing/development environment needs to be up and running before > the start of coding. 1a. A stable release has to be published before the start of the coding period (really this time), preferably at the start of the Community Bonding Period. The latter starts with the announcement of accepted students, i.e. April 26. Our plan to have bi-annual releases from now on asks for releases in April and November. Let's make it happen. > 2. All code needs to be kept in the repository, push's should happen at > LEAST weekly. +1 > 3. A weekly report to your mentor (and/or the Geeklog community as a > whole?). We discussed coming up with a formal outline for such reports. Is > there still interest in doing so? +1 on making weekly reports to the mentor an actual (instead of an implied) requirement. Not sure about the requirement for publicity. How humiliating is it - especially for newcomers to the open source world - to publicly admit that you didn't reach a goal? I think we could ask for a public status report in form of a blog post (to be posted on geeklog.net) for every half of the program (i.e. one before the mid-term evaluations, one after that or at the end). Formality: If we keep it simple, maybe? - what did you achieve over the last week? - what did not work out as expected and why? - what are your plans for the coming week? - where do you think you may be facing a problem or require more time? Something like that. > 4. The last two weeks of coding should be reserved for "integration and > test" so GSoC changes can make it into the main repository. +1 bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From dirk at haun-online.de Wed Feb 24 14:50:26 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:50:26 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100224195026.2094185451@smtp.haun-online.de> Vincent Furia wrote: >http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_calendar_plugin Looks good. It's quite a bundle, though. We should probably break down the list into "must have", "nice to have", and something in between. Surely there are calendar scripts or classes out there that could be re- used or salvaged. What's our position on using someone else's code to achieve (possibly large) portions of this goal? Apart from the obvious license issues, of course. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/accu/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Wed Feb 24 15:25:11 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:25:11 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35709E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Any socnet capabilities for this plugin revamp? Speaking of which, have we collectively decided on how this socnet mechanism will actually work with other plugins? Through the usage of a plg_ hook which then allows socnet to render itself visible to a plugin in the plugin's configuration? Some other mechanism implemented by the plugin developer? > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:50 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin > > Vincent Furia wrote: > > >http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_calendar_plugin > > Looks good. It's quite a bundle, though. > > We should probably break down the list into "must have", "nice to > have", > and something in between. > > Surely there are calendar scripts or classes out there that could be > re- > used or salvaged. What's our position on using someone else's code to > achieve (possibly large) portions of this goal? Apart from the obvious > license issues, of course. > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/accu/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From vfuria at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 16:49:36 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:49:36 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35709E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35709E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002241349i6a3c0777haf6d243f024fa141@mail.gmail.com> We should probably ask that SocNet be kept in mind during the design, but I don't see how we can ask a student to write in capabilities that are being designed/created concurrently. -Vinny On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Randy Kolenko wrote: > Any socnet capabilities for this plugin revamp? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sc1245 at messiah.edu Wed Feb 24 21:44:23 2010 From: sc1245 at messiah.edu (Sean Clark) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:44:23 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin Message-ID: <4B859DB7020000CB0002B93D@gwia.messiah.edu> Google Calendar has an API for a calendar service (http://code.google.com/apis/calendar/) that could potentially be hooked into by Geeklog. I worked with it on a personal project, and it seemed quite user friendly. -Sean >>> Vincent Furia 02/24/10 4:50 PM >>> We should probably ask that SocNet be kept in mind during the design, but I don't see how we can ask a student to write in capabilities that are being designed/created concurrently. -Vinny On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Randy Kolenko wrote: > Any socnet capabilities for this plugin revamp? > From joe at ThrowingDice.com Wed Feb 24 22:17:51 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:17:51 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.co m> References: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KYD00ENJNQLYGV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> So there's no desire to take the calendar upgrade I wrote into the core calendar? It has reminders and subscriptions already. At 01:29 PM 2/24/2010, Vincent Furia wrote: >http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_calendar_plugin > >Input welcome. Rewriting from scratch is probably the best part of this idea. (It's what I should have done a couple years ago for the bounty.) However, rewriting from scratch adds a lot extra time to the project as well. I would call these requirements beyond ambitious. 3 months is not enough time to tackle even a 1/3 of all the stuff listed. I think having "group" calendars and multiple user calendars is premature without the core group upgrades we've been discussing. When paring down the requirements I would look toward this part as "design for it but don't worry about getting it in". ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com From dirk at haun-online.de Thu Feb 25 01:56:30 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:56:30 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35709E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F35709E@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <20100225065630.970102304@smtp.haun-online.de> Randy Kolenko wrote: >Speaking of which, have we collectively decided on how this socnet >mechanism will actually work with other plugins? Through the usage of a >plg_ hook which then allows socnet to render itself visible to a plugin >in the plugin's configuration? Some other mechanism implemented by the >plugin developer? A plugin API function that's only implemented by a plugin is not unheard of (see PLG_checkforSpam). So if there's a need for a generic API function, that would be the way to go. But I think most of the functionality of this plugin would be made available through its own API, like SOC_... functions. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://geeklog.info/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Thu Feb 25 09:37:27 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:37:27 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <0KYD00ENJNQLYGV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> <0KYD00ENJNQLYGV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <009301cab628$0d49ae00$27dd0a00$@net> I am assuming that the core group upgrade is a go. While personally I rather see us concentrate on other parts of Geeklog as we already have a Calendar plugin (I know it has its issues) I do think this project could be a great tie in for SocNet. The problem is, they will both be developed at the same time (hopefully). This means the mentors/students should work together to hammer out the designs where they cross paths. There is no need for the new Calendar plugin to have to worry about creating/editing/deleting group/friends. These controls should be supplied by SocNet. Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Joe Mucchiello Sent: February-24-10 10:18 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin So there's no desire to take the calendar upgrade I wrote into the core calendar? It has reminders and subscriptions already. At 01:29 PM 2/24/2010, Vincent Furia wrote: >http://wiki.geeklog. net/index.php/SoC_calendar_plugin > >Input welcome. Rewriting from scratch is probably the best part of this idea. (It's what I should have done a couple years ago for the bounty.) However, rewriting from scratch adds a lot extra time to the project as well. I would call these requirements beyond ambitious. 3 months is not enough time to tackle even a 1/3 of all the stuff listed. I think having "group" calendars and multiple user calendars is premature without the core group upgrades we've been discussing. When paring down the requirements I would look toward this part as "design for it but don't worry about getting it in". ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4893 (20100224) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4895 (20100225) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From chipper at llamas.net Thu Feb 25 10:31:04 2010 From: chipper at llamas.net (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:31:04 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Config caching (was: SOCNET) In-Reply-To: <20100224192309.443015350@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <20100224192309.443015350@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100225153104.GA14362@chipsworld.llamas.net> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 08:23:09PM +0100, Dirk Haun wrote: >Randy Kolenko wrote: > >>For the configuration GUI project, there should be a caching mechanism >>put into scope so that we can reduce the amount of times the config >>class has to hit the database to pull configuration parameters out of >>it. >>The resulting cached output would be generated in a file outside of web >>root. > >There's already a patch for that: > > http://project.geeklog.net/tracking/view.php?id=751 > >But I'll have to ask the same question as in the bugtracker issue: Is >there any evidence that this is a real problem? > >bye, Dirk What problem was solved when we moved the config into the database? was that to make multi-host websites more managable? You should consider that possiblity when creating the caching logic if this goes forward. Chip -- ------ **** Warning **** This e-mail message, without warrant or warning, and despite US law as set forth in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, may be subject to monitoring by the United States National Security Agency and/or the Department of Defense. Information contained in this message may be used against any senders or recipients, now or in the future, in a public trial or secret tribunal. Please encrypt anything important. PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6CFA486D From dirk at haun-online.de Thu Feb 25 13:03:42 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:03:42 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Config caching (was: SOCNET) In-Reply-To: <20100225153104.GA14362@chipsworld.llamas.net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <20100224192309.443015350@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100225153104.GA14362@chipsworld.llamas.net> Message-ID: <20100225180342.537100100@smtp.haun-online.de> Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio wrote: >What problem was solved when we moved the config into the database? Convenience. Originally, the config.php only contained settings that you didn't need to change a lot. Over time, it aquired more and more settings that you wanted to change more often. And so you had to download the file, edit it, and upload it again. The Configuration GUI addressed that problem. >was that to make multi-host websites more managable? No, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. There's a simple hack for running several sites off of one code base, but it would break with such a cache (pretty much any cache files, in fact). bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/accu/ From vfuria at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:25:41 2010 From: vfuria at gmail.com (Vincent Furia) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:25:41 -0700 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <009301cab628$0d49ae00$27dd0a00$@net> References: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> <0KYD00ENJNQLYGV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <009301cab628$0d49ae00$27dd0a00$@net> Message-ID: <8319e2d61002251025h213763f3v2072880b6050b1f7@mail.gmail.com> This is a long one responding to many of the points in this thread so far. Please forgive the "wrap up" nature of the email, but I thought it would be easier to follow in this way. Looks good. It's quite a bundle, though. The more I consider what all is involved, the more I think it may be too much to implement over the course of GSoC. We should probably break down the list into "must have", "nice to have", > and something in between. A good idea, though the design will have to take all "must haves" and "nice to haves" into account so the "nice to haves" can be incorporated at a later date without creating spaghetti code. I'll get around this weekend to breaking up the "requirements" into a "must haves" and "should design for future features to include..." lists. Surely there are calendar scripts or classes out there that could be re-used > or salvaged. What's our position on using someone else's code to achieve > (possibly large) portions of this goal? Apart from the obvious license > issues, of course. > I thought that was one of the best points of the GPL: Code reuse. I think it would be great to use existing calendar classes/templates or whatever we can find. There will be plenty of work integrating it into Geeklog (and potentially with SocNet). I'll add that as well to the wiki. One caveat is that the any "reuse" code should be identified before the coding period starts. I don't think we want the coding period tied up selecting between different libraries to use for the implementation. Any socnet capabilities for this plugin revamp? > The problem is, they will both be developed at the same time (hopefully). > This means the mentors/students should work together to hammer out the > designs where they cross paths. There is no need for the new Calendar plugin > to have to worry about creating/editing/deleting group/friends. These > controls should be supplied by SocNet. > As I said before, we'll definitely want to keep SocNet in mind during the design. I would hate to cause the student working on the Calendar to be dependent on the student working on SocNet. What happens if SocNet undergoes a major design change halfway through? Or what if the student working on SocNet washes out? What happens if we don't get any good student applications for SocNet? Basically, I don't think we should make this project (or any other) dependent on other projects. Google Calendar has an API for a calendar service ( > http://code.google.com/apis/calendar/) that could potentially be hooked > into by Geeklog. I worked with it on a personal project, and it seemed quite > user friendly. > I really like Google Calendar (and their API looks great). But for a "core" plugin I don't think we should have a dependency on an outside web service. I did place in the "requirements" the ability to sync with Google Calendar (along with other web based calendar services), but that probably falls under the "nice to have" category. Rewriting from scratch is probably the best part of this idea. (It's what I > should have done a couple years ago for the bounty.) However, rewriting from > scratch adds a lot extra time to the project as well. I would call these > requirements beyond ambitious. 3 months is not enough time to tackle even a > 1/3 of all the stuff listed. > I think having "group" calendars and multiple user calendars is premature > without the core group upgrades we've been discussing. When paring down the > requirements I would look toward this part as "design for it but don't worry > about getting it in". > I agree on all points. So there's no desire to take the calendar upgrade I wrote into the core > calendar? It has reminders and subscriptions already. > Joe, I'm sorry to say I don't remember this. Though as you said, a rewrite is needed for our Calendar. The problem is, they will both be developed at the same time (hopefully). > This means the mentors/students should work together to hammer out the > designs where they cross paths. There is no need for the new Calendar plugin > to have to worry about creating/editing/deleting group/friends. These > controls should be supplied by SocNet. > Tom, I think I addressed this above. Let me know if I missed a point. While personally I rather see us concentrate on other parts of Geeklog as we > already have a Calendar plugin (I know it has its issues) I do think this > project could be a great tie in for SocNet. > I brought up the calendar idea because we were a little short of project ideas, and this is one that has bothered me for a long time. I think Dirk's still looking for more ideas for the Summer. -Vinny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Thu Feb 25 15:40:17 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:40:17 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Calendar Plugin In-Reply-To: <8319e2d61002251025h213763f3v2072880b6050b1f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8319e2d61002241029q1b9966a2h3b7f8aed4d64bafc@mail.gmail.com> <0KYD00ENJNQLYGV0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <009301cab628$0d49ae00$27dd0a00$@net> <8319e2d61002251025h213763f3v2072880b6050b1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100225204017.1420800816@smtp.haun-online.de> Vincent Furia wrote: >I thought that was one of the best points of the GPL: Code reuse. Of course. I was (briefly) wondering about it only in the context of GSoC. But as you said, there's enough code left to write even when reusing some existing calendar code. >Basically, I don't think we should make this >project (or any other) dependent on other projects. Yep. >I think Dirk's still looking for more ideas for the Summer. If anyone has an idea for a project that's vaguely GSoC-sized, let's hear it. bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From cordiste at free.fr Thu Feb 25 17:14:59 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:14:59 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Config caching (was: SOCNET) In-Reply-To: <20100225180342.537100100@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357096@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <20100224192309.443015350@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100225153104.GA14362@chipsworld.llamas.net> <20100225180342.537100100@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002251414nb638913t68a4f0fbff21917d@mail.gmail.com> >Dirk Haun wrote : > >There's a simple hack for running several sites off of one code base, but it would break with such > a cache Just a note for cache and several sites with one code base : For plugins wich need cache in a multi sites environment I create subfolders with $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] variable. May be not the best solution but it's working. ::Ben 2010/2/25 Dirk Haun : > Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio wrote: > >>What problem was solved when we moved the config into the database? > > Convenience. Originally, the config.php only contained settings that you > didn't need to change a lot. Over time, it aquired more and more > settings that you wanted to change more often. And so you had to > download the file, edit it, and upload it again. The Configuration GUI > addressed that problem. > > >>was that to make multi-host websites more managable? > > No, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. There's a simple hack for > running several sites off of one code base, but it would break with such > a cache (pretty much any cache files, in fact). > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/accu/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > From suprsidr at flashyourweb.com Thu Feb 25 17:40:21 2010 From: suprsidr at flashyourweb.com (Wayne Patterson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:40:21 -0600 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSOC Calandar plugin really? Message-ID: <31838b391002251440gbec05c2k755afa22eef70b8f@mail.gmail.com> How about something that would actually attract users? I don't think I've ever used gl's calendar - not once. Not to disregard other users' needs. What about a beacon system? When you install geeklog on yoursite.com you have the ability to activate a beacon to link to other geeklog sites... having categories maybe? At least this is social and may attract some usership. Anyways, you mentioned more ideas. -Wayne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 26 01:53:53 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:53:53 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSOC Calandar plugin really? In-Reply-To: <31838b391002251440gbec05c2k755afa22eef70b8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <31838b391002251440gbec05c2k755afa22eef70b8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100226065353.1203713096@smtp.haun-online.de> Wayne Patterson wrote: >How about something that would actually attract users? >I don't think I've ever used gl's calendar - not once. >Not to disregard other users' needs. There was enough interest in an improved calendar to start a bounty. I'm pretty sure the current calendar has shown up as a negative point on some people's checklist when they were looking for a suitable CMS for their site. >What about a beacon system? >When you install geeklog on yoursite.com you have the ability to activate a >beacon to link to other geeklog sites... having categories maybe? Not sure I understand that idea. Is this something similar to ? Tim Patrick sent in an interesting proposal for that last year. bye, Dirk -- http://www.haun-online.de/ http://spam.tinyweb.net/ From dirk at haun-online.de Fri Feb 26 01:58:22 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:58:22 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC idea: Versioning Message-ID: <20100226065822.1474473866@smtp.haun-online.de> This is another idea that has popped up again and again over the years: The ability to track changes in a story (in content and who changed it and when), including the ability to go back to an earlier state. Instead of building it into stories specifically, could this be implemented as a plugin? The PLG_itemSaved API function was introduced with that idea in the back of the mind. There are some challenges here and I'm not sure they can actually be solved. Like what exactly do you save as the "diff" and how can you roll it back? The UI is also an interesting challenge. In any case, this would probably require a few more API extensions and changes on the other side (e.g. in stories) to use it. Just throwing this around for some feedback ... bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From 1000ideen at gmx.de Fri Feb 26 04:12:45 2010 From: 1000ideen at gmx.de (Markus) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:12:45 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSOC Calandar plugin really? In-Reply-To: <31838b391002251440gbec05c2k755afa22eef70b8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <31838b391002251440gbec05c2k755afa22eef70b8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100226101245.114049mmubqil6z1@www.mail-interface.de> Yes, this is another form of social web2, something different from facebook anyway. If GL just becomes another facebook it does not make much sense to me as it mostly lacks mass of users. A beacon system or in former times there used to be "webrings" which were quite efficient. There coule be 1 page with 9 friend sites as mini preview and maybe on top a search into those sites too. This sort of intelligent connection could lead to more than just another facebook withouth the necessary mass of users. Markus > What about a beacon system? > When you install geeklog on yoursite.com you have the ability to activate a > beacon to link to other geeklog sites... having categories maybe? > At least this is social and may attract some usership. From info at heatherengineering.com Fri Feb 26 05:19:21 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:19:21 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC idea: Versioning In-Reply-To: <20100226065822.1474473866@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100226065822.1474473866@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: I once did a simple versioning plugin that worked with a hacked staticpages plugin. It used an "on-save" hook, and instead of overwriting the staticpage into the database, it added a new row in the table with an incremented "version" column. It could easily then work with any other plugin that was activated in the admin page and had the required functions for accessing the versioning plugin's API. You could set the number of versions to keep, or a time period (e.g. 1 month) and older items would be deleted. I didn't get so far as to do any diffs, but if you have two versions in the table, you can easily do that when required. The only real issue is with images in stories and staticpages - if the image changes, or is removed, then you lose that content. But perhaps that is unavoidable, unless you want to start caching old images as well, in which case you could quickly get a very large cache of images. Euan. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 15:58, Dirk Haun wrote: > This is another idea that has popped up again and again over the years: > The ability to track changes in a story (in content and who changed it > and when), including the ability to go back to an earlier state. > > Instead of building it into stories specifically, could this be > implemented as a plugin? The PLG_itemSaved API function was introduced > with that idea in the back of the mind. > > There are some challenges here and I'm not sure they can actually be > solved. Like what exactly do you save as the "diff" and how can you roll > it back? The UI is also an interesting challenge. In any case, this > would probably require a few more API extensions and changes on the > other side (e.g. in stories) to use it. > > Just throwing this around for some feedback ... > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From cordiste at free.fr Fri Feb 26 07:34:18 2010 From: cordiste at free.fr (cordiste) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:34:18 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC idea: Versioning In-Reply-To: References: <20100226065822.1474473866@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <364575ed1002260434n2e846396r8d557f1ec0dd8f84@mail.gmail.com> This would be a nice feature. ::Ben 2010/2/26 Euan McKay : > I once did a simple versioning plugin that worked with a hacked > staticpages plugin. > It used an "on-save" hook, and instead of overwriting the staticpage > into the database, it added a new row in the table with an incremented > "version" column. It could easily then work with any other plugin that > was activated in the admin page and had the required functions for > accessing the versioning plugin's API. > You could set the number of versions to keep, or a time period (e.g. 1 > month) and older items would be deleted. > > I didn't get so far as to do any diffs, but if you have two versions > in the table, you can easily do that when required. > > The only real issue is with images in stories and staticpages - if the > image changes, or is removed, then you lose that content. But perhaps > that is unavoidable, unless you want to start caching old images as > well, in which case you could quickly get a very large cache of > images. > > Euan. > > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 15:58, Dirk Haun wrote: >> This is another idea that has popped up again and again over the years: >> The ability to track changes in a story (in content and who changed it >> and when), including the ability to go back to an earlier state. >> >> Instead of building it into stories specifically, could this be >> implemented as a plugin? The PLG_itemSaved API function was introduced >> with that idea in the back of the mind. >> >> There are some challenges here and I'm not sure they can actually be >> solved. Like what exactly do you save as the "diff" and how can you roll >> it back? The UI is also an interesting challenge. In any case, this >> would probably require a few more API extensions and changes on the >> other side (e.g. in stories) to use it. >> >> Just throwing this around for some feedback ... >> >> bye, Dirk >> >> >> -- >> http://www.geeklog.net/ >> http://geeklog.info/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > From info at heatherengineering.com Fri Feb 26 08:48:24 2010 From: info at heatherengineering.com (Euan McKay) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:48:24 +0900 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC idea: Versioning In-Reply-To: <364575ed1002260434n2e846396r8d557f1ec0dd8f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100226065822.1474473866@smtp.haun-online.de> <364575ed1002260434n2e846396r8d557f1ec0dd8f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I still have the code here if someone wants to build on it. No guarantees as to the state (or quality). It was called "checkout" and also was planned to allow locking of items when they were being edited by another user. This was done by having an "on-edit" hook, where any other plugin could check with the checkout plugin whether an item was currently locked for editing by another user. Euan. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 21:34, cordiste wrote: > This would be a nice feature. > > ::Ben > > 2010/2/26 Euan McKay : >> I once did a simple versioning plugin that worked with a hacked >> staticpages plugin. >> It used an "on-save" hook, and instead of overwriting the staticpage >> into the database, it added a new row in the table with an incremented >> "version" column. It could easily then work with any other plugin that >> was activated in the admin page and had the required functions for >> accessing the versioning plugin's API. >> You could set the number of versions to keep, or a time period (e.g. 1 >> month) and older items would be deleted. >> >> I didn't get so far as to do any diffs, but if you have two versions >> in the table, you can easily do that when required. >> >> The only real issue is with images in stories and staticpages - if the >> image changes, or is removed, then you lose that content. But perhaps >> that is unavoidable, unless you want to start caching old images as >> well, in which case you could quickly get a very large cache of >> images. >> >> Euan. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 15:58, Dirk Haun wrote: >>> This is another idea that has popped up again and again over the years: >>> The ability to track changes in a story (in content and who changed it >>> and when), including the ability to go back to an earlier state. >>> >>> Instead of building it into stories specifically, could this be >>> implemented as a plugin? The PLG_itemSaved API function was introduced >>> with that idea in the back of the mind. >>> >>> There are some challenges here and I'm not sure they can actually be >>> solved. Like what exactly do you save as the "diff" and how can you roll >>> it back? The UI is also an interesting challenge. In any case, this >>> would probably require a few more API extensions and changes on the >>> other side (e.g. in stories) to use it. >>> >>> Just throwing this around for some feedback ... >>> >>> bye, Dirk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.geeklog.net/ >>> http://geeklog.info/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> geeklog-devel mailing list >>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >>> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> geeklog-devel mailing list >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net >> http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > From websitemaster at cogeco.net Fri Feb 26 09:27:30 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:27:30 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357094@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F357094@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <016c01cab6ef$d408dcb0$7c1a9610$@net> Once you have something written down I will go over it to see if I have any additional ideas. Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko Sent: February-23-10 4:25 PM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET I can take a crack at a writeup for it. I won't have time to touch it for a few days for sure. I can also mentor this. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:08 PM > To: geeklog-devel > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > Tom wrote: > > >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) > > So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, > ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? > > bye, Dirk > > > -- > http://www.haun-online.de/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4891 (20100223) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4898 (20100226) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Sat Feb 27 09:25:14 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:25:14 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_social_network_support There's the initial wiki page for Socnet. I just put it together this morning and is by no means a definitive final version spelling out requirements. Based on what I put in the requirements, I think this is a GSoC project that is 100% do-able in the allotted time frame. All critiques welcome. I didn't include the meshing of, say, the calendar project with socnet. But there might be some very plausible benefits to collaborating together on those projects. I see calendar being a bit heavier than Socnet in terms of coding cycles. The area that is currently "lacking" in substance is the messaging -- that is, how should an end user receive notifications that something has changed and how should that be managed. -randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom [mailto:websitemaster at cogeco.net] > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:28 AM > To: 'Geeklog Development' > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > Once you have something written down I will go over it to see if I have > any > additional ideas. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy > Kolenko > Sent: February-23-10 4:25 PM > To: Geeklog Development > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > I can take a crack at a writeup for it. I won't have time to touch it > for a few days for sure. > I can also mentor this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:08 PM > > To: geeklog-devel > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) > > > > So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, > > ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? > > > > bye, Dirk > > > > > > -- > > http://www.haun-online.de/ > > http://geeklog.info/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4891 (20100223) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4898 (20100226) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Sat Feb 27 09:35:45 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:35:45 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Student Requirements Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383499@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > 1. A testing/development environment needs to be up and running before the start of coding. We still have someone willing to put out a VM of this? Otherwise, I think that having a site that is internet accessible for both the student to develop on and the mentor to check out progress on is almost mandatory. Not sure if we can get sub-domains of Geeklog.net for the students to use. Secured by htaccess rules so that nothing embarrassing is shown :-) > 2. All code needs to be kept in the repository, push's should happen at LEAST weekly. Agreed 100%. Far too often students go into the void and emerge weeks after without much explanation. We need to see consistent effort. > 3. A weekly report to your mentor (and/or the Geeklog community as a whole?). > We discussed coming up with a formal outline for such reports. Is there still interest in doing so? I'm not big on overly formalizing the reports. We can wiki this up too -- but the students should at least have 2-3 bullet points to cover off on each report. Such as progress this week, outstanding issues, progress scheduled for next week. However I think the reports MUST be done weekly at a minimum. The reports should be scheduled between the student and mentor and should always be done on that day. > 4. The last two weeks of coding should be reserved for > "integration and test" so GSoC changes can make it into the main repository. 100% agreed. I made this a requirement for socnet. The plugin NEEDS to be in alpha mode for sure. > 5. ??? Pizza party? > 6. Profit! Indeed! -randy From dirk at haun-online.de Sat Feb 27 11:28:52 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:28:52 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Spam-X project (was: GSoC 2010 is on) In-Reply-To: <20100215190858.214896209@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <20100127220011.2118280573@smtp.haun-online.de> <20100207193421.1036255733@smtp.haun-online.de> <044b01caae5e$5dc85790$195906b0$@net> <20100215190858.214896209@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <20100227162852.387362029@smtp.haun-online.de> Coming back to this: >I think the main problem with the Spam-X ideas is that they are not very >attractive as a project. It's a collection of separate ideas with "has >something to do with spam" as the only common theme. We should also not fall into the trap hoping that GSoC will somehow magically solve all our problems. While a newcomer (e.g. a student) can provide some fresh and welcome input, there are some issues that we simply have to address ourselves. And most of the things listed on the "Spam-X overhaul" ideas page fall into that category, I think. So I'm going to move some of the items from that page over to the bugtracker. In the meantime, how about this mix for a Spam-X GSoC project? - implement SWOT - implement some new modules for external services There is a bunch of services similar to SLV out there that we could also use. Some require registration, some don't. So we could give our users some alternatives to SLV. I'm counting 4 or 5 such services. Implementing a module should require a week max./each. Throw in some tweaks to the admin UI to allow the site admin to switch between services easily (since you probably don't want to run them all in parallel) and that could roughly cover the first half of GSoC. Part 2 would then be to implement SWOT. Which is pretty much yet another anti-spam service, if you think about it. Implementing the modules for the other services would give a student an idea how things work in Geeklog. It would expose them to some ideas how such a service works, which may (or may not) come in handy when implementing SWOT later on. And they would easily get something working, which would give them a sense of achievement and - hopefully - some motivation for the more challenging half of the project. Overall, it's probably still an "easy" project. But it's a little more coherent than last year's project, I would hope. Does that make sense? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From websitemaster at cogeco.net Sat Feb 27 12:04:15 2010 From: websitemaster at cogeco.net (Tom) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:04:15 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <01ca01cab7ce$e4412120$acc36360$@net> Thanks for writing it up. Possible Changes / Additional Ideas Alert Notifications - I added a few other possibilities to the wiki. We do have a Core Notifications Service GSOC project which SocNet could use if someone takes it on. - Private Messaging Plugin could be used here as well. Either a modified version of Blaine's or a new one (beyond scope of project). - Alert Notifications should be coded for the possibility of another plugin handling the alerts. Javascript Library - Do we want this to use JQuery? For example dragging and dropping users to groups. UI Controls - Should SocNet offer standard controls for other plugins to use. A simple example would be to display a group list. Good ideas? Bad? Tom -----Original Message----- From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy Kolenko Sent: February-27-10 9:25 AM To: Geeklog Development Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_social_network_support There's the initial wiki page for Socnet. I just put it together this morning and is by no means a definitive final version spelling out requirements. Based on what I put in the requirements, I think this is a GSoC project that is 100% do-able in the allotted time frame. All critiques welcome. I didn't include the meshing of, say, the calendar project with socnet. But there might be some very plausible benefits to collaborating together on those projects. I see calendar being a bit heavier than Socnet in terms of coding cycles. The area that is currently "lacking" in substance is the messaging -- that is, how should an end user receive notifications that something has changed and how should that be managed. -randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom [mailto:websitemaster at cogeco.net] > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:28 AM > To: 'Geeklog Development' > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > Once you have something written down I will go over it to see if I have > any > additional ideas. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net > [mailto:geeklog-devel-bounces at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Randy > Kolenko > Sent: February-23-10 4:25 PM > To: Geeklog Development > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > I can take a crack at a writeup for it. I won't have time to touch it > for a few days for sure. > I can also mentor this. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dirk Haun [mailto:dirk at haun-online.de] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:08 PM > > To: geeklog-devel > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >So is this the desired route to go then? (group question here) > > > > So, is anyone willing to make a writeup as a GSoC project idea? And, > > ideally, also to (co-)mentor it? > > > > bye, Dirk > > > > > > -- > > http://www.haun-online.de/ > > http://geeklog.info/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4891 (20100223) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4898 (20100226) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel _______________________________________________ geeklog-devel mailing list geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4899 (20100226) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4900 (20100227) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From joe at ThrowingDice.com Sat Feb 27 12:26:34 2010 From: joe at ThrowingDice.com (Joe Mucchiello) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:26:34 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.c a> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <0KYI00MZFGJRDW50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> At 09:25 AM 2/27/2010, Randy Kolenko wrote: >http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/SoC_social_network_support > >There's the initial wiki page for Socnet. >I just put it together this morning and is by no means a definitive >final version spelling out requirements. >Based on what I put in the requirements, I think this is a GSoC project >that is 100% do-able in the allotted time frame. All critiques welcome. I still think the core modifications should already be in place before Summer starts. I've started doing a diff and it is not all that hard. It's more an issue of tracking down all the group table references and checking them. (Oh, and I've discovered there's no need to modify grp_gl_core at all. Simply adding grp_owner is enough. If grp_owner is zero, the group is maintained by the group admin feature only. If the grp_owner is non-zero, only the user with that uid can access the group. Thus the socnet plugin would need to ensure that all group manipulation occurs to groups with non-zero owner records.) >The area that is currently "lacking" in substance is the messaging -- >that is, how should an end user receive notifications that something has >changed and how should that be managed. I would assume the plugin would hook plugin_getuseroptions_socnet to add a "messages" or "alerts" link. They could also hook through templatesetvars to add "popup" text to header (through javascript) to alert the user. The messages would of course be stored in a table created and maintained by the plugin. The plugin would have functions to handle alerts: SOC_createAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin, $state = 'UNSEEN') returns list($state, $datetime_created) SOC_displayAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin) calls socnet_displayalert_$plugin($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid) returns text to display SOC_markAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin, $state = 'SEEN') returns list($state, $datetime_created) SOC_deleteAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin) returns nothing SOC_findAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin) returns list($state, $datetime_created) or null if there is no such alert. Used to do things like "You have requested friendship with {username} already." SOC_ignorePluginAlerts($uid, $plugin) allows the user to ignore annoying plugins So a plugin that enhances stories or the calendar plugin could tell you a story or event you are subscribed to has changed: SOC_createAlert($observer_uid, $editing_uid, $sid, 'story'). When the user clicks the menu item that says they have an alert, the story plugin is called. If uses the $objid to get the story title and produces the text: item title has been modified by $editing_uid. Or the socnet plugin itself could handle friends through the API: SOC_createAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, 'friend request', 'socnet'). Inside socnet_displayalert_socnet if they are not friends it would generate the text {username} wants to be your friend accept, deny, block user. If they are already friends if would generate "{username} became friends with {username}". (The accept button would create a similar alert swapping the uids.) ---- Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com From dilantha.tyrant at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 13:28:53 2010 From: dilantha.tyrant at gmail.com (dilantha silva) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:58:53 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <0KYI00MZFGJRDW50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KYI00MZFGJRDW50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <4d90b2001002271028vfa9e92qa475e08dbf69d0ef@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, I am Dilantha Silva from Sri lanka planning to participate for coming gsoc 2010 under Geeklog. I'm an undergraduate student in University Of Moratuwa, Sri Lanka. I have a good experience with PHP and Mysql. So i think geeklog is the best project for me to get involved. I have went through the ideas list for 2010 and i found that social network support (Socnet) idea is really interesting. It's bit challenging but i think it is possible to complete it with in the time frame. Looking forward to discuss about SOCNET plug-in further. -- Regards, Dilantha Silva, http://twitter.com/dilanthasilva | http://www.linkedin.com/in/dilanthasilva https://launchpad.net/~dilantha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dirk at haun-online.de Sat Feb 27 19:02:15 2010 From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:02:15 +0100 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <4d90b2001002271028vfa9e92qa475e08dbf69d0ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KYI00MZFGJRDW50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <4d90b2001002271028vfa9e92qa475e08dbf69d0ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100228000215.2049355420@smtp.haun-online.de> dilantha silva wrote: >I am Dilantha Silva from Sri lanka planning to participate for coming gsoc >2010 under Geeklog. Welcome :) >Looking forward to discuss about SOCNET plug-in further. As you can see, the discussion is already ongoing. So jump right in. Anything specific you'd like to add? bye, Dirk -- http://www.geeklog.net/ http://geeklog.info/ From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Sun Feb 28 08:56:33 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:56:33 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F3570BA@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > Alert Notifications > - I added a few other possibilities to the wiki. We do have a Core > Notifications Service GSOC project which SocNet could use if someone > takes > it on. > - Private Messaging Plugin could be used here as well. Either a > modified > version of Blaine's or a new one (beyond scope of project). > - Alert Notifications should be coded for the possibility of another > plugin > handling the alerts. The student's proposal should have something written in it fleshing out the approach for messaging and how that can be handled cleanly. > > Javascript Library > - Do we want this to use JQuery? For example dragging and dropping > users to > groups. > I guess this is up to the student. I'd personally like to see some form of upgraded UI managing how this app works for the end user as the management of the plugin is probably going to be 80% driven by end users. Jquery, YUI... doesn't matter to me really. Since Geeklog doesn't have a "standard" js library chosen, the ultimate solution should allow the js engine to be swapped out preferably. However I think for an alpha release, ajax could potentially be omitted. > UI Controls > - Should SocNet offer standard controls for other plugins to use. A > simple > example would be to display a group list. > You bet! That is the responsibility of the socnet API. Again, students will have to think through how the socnet plugin will fire once content has been POSTed to Geeklog. The hook based architecture does that for us. -randy From Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca Sun Feb 28 08:51:53 2010 From: Randy.Kolenko at nextide.ca (Randy Kolenko) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:51:53 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET Message-ID: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F38349B@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> > I still think the core modifications should already be in place > before Summer starts. I've started doing a diff and it is not all > that hard. It's more an issue of tracking down all the group table > references and checking them. (Oh, and I've discovered there's no > need to modify grp_gl_core at all. Simply adding grp_owner is enough. > If grp_owner is zero, the group is maintained by the group admin > feature only. If the grp_owner is non-zero, only the user with that > uid can access the group. Thus the socnet plugin would need to ensure > that all group manipulation occurs to groups with non-zero owner > records.) Ok.. I just added the GL core modifications to the GSoC project as you just never know what will be out the door at that time. The student could easily use the "bonding period" to troll through the code looking for issues with the group change. > > I would assume the plugin would hook plugin_getuseroptions_socnet Correct. > > SOC_createAlert($uid_to, $uid_from, $objid, $plugin, $state = > 'UNSEEN') returns list($state, $datetime_created) <> > SOC_ignorePluginAlerts($uid, $plugin) allows the user to ignore > annoying plugins Sure. All good ideas. The implementation of all of the socnet methods will undoubtedly be tweaked over time. Keeping them hooked based is the best approach. Students also have to keep in mind about how to implement the security for a plugin. A variety of SOC_checkSecurity, SOC_secureContent etc. will have to be created in order for a plugin to utilize and subscribe to socnet security. I would like to see student proposals actually have some of this type of approach thought through and fleshed out. Otherwise there will be simple regurgitation of what we've typed into these threads :-) From dilantha.tyrant at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 10:37:24 2010 From: dilantha.tyrant at gmail.com (dilantha silva) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:07:24 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] SOCNET In-Reply-To: <20100228000215.2049355420@smtp.haun-online.de> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383498@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <0KYI00MZFGJRDW50@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <4d90b2001002271028vfa9e92qa475e08dbf69d0ef@mail.gmail.com> <20100228000215.2049355420@smtp.haun-online.de> Message-ID: <4d90b2001002280737j2babf121gd6a3c9d2c26426f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Dirk Haun wrote: > dilantha silva wrote: > > >I am Dilantha Silva from Sri lanka planning to participate for coming gsoc > >2010 under Geeklog. > > Welcome :) > > > >Looking forward to discuss about SOCNET plug-in further. > > As you can see, the discussion is already ongoing. So jump right in. > Anything specific you'd like to add? > > > Yes. I can see some very good topics were discussed in this thread. Hope i > didn't miss anything. I just want to add a small thought for this discussion > regarding javascript libraries to be used in this plugin.It will be really > useful to create a good UI and give user a good experience . Both Jquery and > YUI have some good features but according to my personal experience i think > Jquery has more advantages than YUI with relative to its loading time, > community help, available plug-ins ect..I heard there is no standard js > library has chosen in Geeklog i think jquery will be really helpful in > future. > > > -- > http://www.geeklog.net/ > http://geeklog.info/ > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -- Regards, Dilantha Silva, http://twitter.com/dilanthasilva | http://www.linkedin.com/in/dilanthasilva| https://launchpad.net/~dilantha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yankees26an at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 17:42:30 2010 From: yankees26an at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?4bmoz67isaXItc6v4bmlyp/JkeKImg==?=) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:42:30 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSOC 2010: cudn't find any reply on IRC In-Reply-To: <96c792da1002281433l47f6ed51q75ecc8834931e08e@mail.gmail.com> References: <96c792da1002281433l47f6ed51q75ecc8834931e08e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aaf88901002281442u4dadb138se4fde0cd68a8fda@mail.gmail.com> Welcome, Have a look around here http://wiki.geeklog.net/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Dharamveer Singh Chouhan wrote: > Hi, everyone. > First of All hats off to the developers of such a?wonderful?Open Source > Software. > I Would like to work and develop with the community of Geeklog, I am good > and possess sharp skills in PHP and C++. > I am looking forward to work with Geeklog in the upcoming summer of code by > Google. > Please guide me along the right direction. Would be a great help and a heads > off start. > I know Its still early for GSOC. but i wish to have time on my side, and > prove myself worth beforehand. So, as to work accordingly and > Passionately > Regards > Dharamveer Singh Chouhan > B.Tech Ceramic Engineering > 2nd Year, IT-BHU > > I may not be the best, but i am certainly not like the rest > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > -- Warmly, Stanislav From yankees26an at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 17:45:47 2010 From: yankees26an at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?4bmoz67isaXItc6v4bmlyp/JkeKImg==?=) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:45:47 -0500 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Student Requirements In-Reply-To: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383499@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383499@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> Message-ID: <7aaf88901002281445p149cc5c8l320b37bbb17f7148@mail.gmail.com> Formality: If we keep it simple, maybe? - what did you achieve over the last week? - what did not work out as expected and why? - what are your plans for the coming week? - where do you think you may be facing a problem or require more time? I couldn't have said that better. It covers all areas - how much work you put in - what you plan to work on, and an explanation of why you spent the whole week on one bug :) On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Randy Kolenko wrote: > >> 1. A testing/development environment needs to be up and running before > the start of coding. > > We still have someone willing to put out a VM of this? ?Otherwise, I > think that having a site that is internet accessible for both the > student to develop on and the mentor to check out progress on is almost > mandatory. > Not sure if we can get sub-domains of Geeklog.net for the students to > use. ?Secured by htaccess rules so that nothing embarrassing is shown > :-) > > >> 2. All code needs to be kept in the repository, push's should happen > at LEAST weekly. > > Agreed 100%. ?Far too often students go into the void and emerge weeks > after without much explanation. ?We need to see consistent effort. > > >> 3. A weekly report to your mentor (and/or the Geeklog community as a > whole?). >> We discussed coming up with a formal outline for such reports. Is > there still interest in doing so? > > I'm not big on overly formalizing the reports. ?We can wiki this up too > -- but the students should at least have 2-3 bullet points to cover off > on each report. ?Such as progress this week, outstanding issues, > progress scheduled for next week. > However I think the reports MUST be done weekly at a minimum. ?The > reports should be scheduled between the student and mentor and should > always be done on that day. > > >> 4. The last two weeks of coding should be reserved for >> "integration and test" so GSoC changes can make it into the main > repository. > > 100% agreed. ?I made this a requirement for socnet. ?The plugin NEEDS to > be in alpha mode for sure. > >> 5. ??? > > Pizza party? > >> 6. Profit! > > Indeed! > > -randy > > > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -- Warmly, Stanislav From dharamveer.chouhan.cer08 at itbhu.ac.in Sun Feb 28 17:58:15 2010 From: dharamveer.chouhan.cer08 at itbhu.ac.in (Dharamveer Singh Chouhan) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 04:28:15 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] GSoC Student Requirements In-Reply-To: <7aaf88901002281445p149cc5c8l320b37bbb17f7148@mail.gmail.com> References: <063B8B70CB9DA141B2FC1DB483561B9F383499@nex-pluto.nextide.ca> <7aaf88901002281445p149cc5c8l320b37bbb17f7148@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96c792da1002281458r7ff251q388205ffd0ac7287@mail.gmail.com> Hi, thanks for quick reply, wondering why nobody has yet replied on IRC. May be due to different Time zones. Anyways, i would like to say that, i'll abide the following and work on my application and work thoroughly, but given that i have sufficient time on my side. as even organizations haven't applied to google. And student application would start 20 days after that, I would like to propose *where should i get off starting in the beginning*. That way, i would be able to contribute much more than just GSOC to the community and would be able to be an integrative part of it. Thanks in advance. Regards P.S.: i need guidance regarding setting up the environment on my machine. Regards Dharamveer Singh Chouhan B.Tech Ceramic Engineering 2nd Year, IT-BHU I may not be the best, but i am certainly not like the rest On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:15 AM, ????????? wrote: > Formality: If we keep it simple, maybe? > - what did you achieve over the last week? > - what did not work out as expected and why? > - what are your plans for the coming week? > - where do you think you may be facing a problem or require more time? > > I couldn't have said that better. It covers all areas - how much work > you put in - what you plan to work on, and an explanation of why you > spent the whole week on one bug :) > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Randy Kolenko > wrote: > > > >> 1. A testing/development environment needs to be up and running before > > the start of coding. > > > > We still have someone willing to put out a VM of this? Otherwise, I > > think that having a site that is internet accessible for both the > > student to develop on and the mentor to check out progress on is almost > > mandatory. > > Not sure if we can get sub-domains of Geeklog.net for the students to > > use. Secured by htaccess rules so that nothing embarrassing is shown > > :-) > > > > > >> 2. All code needs to be kept in the repository, push's should happen > > at LEAST weekly. > > > > Agreed 100%. Far too often students go into the void and emerge weeks > > after without much explanation. We need to see consistent effort. > > > > > >> 3. A weekly report to your mentor (and/or the Geeklog community as a > > whole?). > >> We discussed coming up with a formal outline for such reports. Is > > there still interest in doing so? > > > > I'm not big on overly formalizing the reports. We can wiki this up too > > -- but the students should at least have 2-3 bullet points to cover off > > on each report. Such as progress this week, outstanding issues, > > progress scheduled for next week. > > However I think the reports MUST be done weekly at a minimum. The > > reports should be scheduled between the student and mentor and should > > always be done on that day. > > > > > >> 4. The last two weeks of coding should be reserved for > >> "integration and test" so GSoC changes can make it into the main > > repository. > > > > 100% agreed. I made this a requirement for socnet. The plugin NEEDS to > > be in alpha mode for sure. > > > >> 5. ??? > > > > Pizza party? > > > >> 6. Profit! > > > > Indeed! > > > > -randy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > geeklog-devel mailing list > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > > > > > > -- > Warmly, > > Stanislav > _______________________________________________ > geeklog-devel mailing list > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net > http://eight.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/geeklog-devel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goyalsanyam at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 23:46:50 2010 From: goyalsanyam at gmail.com (Sanyam goyal) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:16:50 +0530 Subject: [geeklog-devel] Hi Message-ID: <6bfa5ab21002282046g293be9d3p8283e51a4e2239a6@mail.gmail.com> Hi my name is Sanyam, I am final year Student of Computer Science department , IIT Bombay, india. I am interested in applying for google summer of code 2010. I am writing this Mail to introduce myself to the Geeklog. I have done quite a lot of work in PHP/Mysql . My other skills involves C, C++, JAVA, J2EE and javascript. My work involving PHP/Mysql was also appreciated on yahoo blogs (http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2009/02/17/hacku-09-mumbai-delhi/comment-page-1/), (search for ChoosY!, that is my product) I saw the idea page and really liked few projects/ideas like calender plugin. Social networking support for geeklog software. Kindly consider this mail as a sincere application to work with Geeklog in gsoc-2010. would be glad to answer any questions .. Thanks -- Sanyam Goyal Btech4,Senior UnderGraduate IIT Bombay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: