From dirk at haun-online.de  Sat Feb  1 06:46:08 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:46:08 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: [geeklog-devtalk] lists.geeklog.net mailing list memberships
 reminder
Message-ID: <20030201114608.27070@smtp.haun-online.de>

Hehe ...

>This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
>lists.geeklog.net mailing list memberships.

I've switched this off for the entire geeklog-devel list now.
Unfortunately, you can't switch off reminders for individual accounts :-/


>Passwords for geeklog-devtalk at lists.geeklog.net:
>
>List                                     Password // URL
>----                                     --------  
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net          edvoti    

Don't bother trying ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From tomw at pigstye.net  Sun Feb  2 17:16:30 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:16:30 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
Message-ID: <20030202221630.M10583@pigstye.net>

I almost have the static pages 1.2 ready for inclusion in geeklog.  

I made it of course perms aware and able to process php.  I also added the 
ability to choose the not found page.  It can either say just not found or 
offer the login screen.  I removed the expanded search option.

I am looking for places that permissions and php will make a difference.  

I have thought of two:

1) In the static page as front page hack section of the main index.php
2) In the menu display option of functions.inc.

But there is this nagging idea in the back of my mind I am forgetting 
somewhere that static pages has become part of geeklog.  Any Ideas anyone?

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb  3 08:30:58 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:30:58 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] $USER['language'] Variable
Message-ID: <20030203133058.M130@pigstye.net>

I have a user of my menu plugin on a windows machine that has the $USER
['language'] variable set to blank on english the default language.  Is this 
normal?  I assumed that it was always set to the current language.  Or does 
this user have a setup problem.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Mon Feb  3 09:47:48 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:47:48 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Translation possibility
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0301290902320.4714-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C0499@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

One more thing to add is I saw this today in the PEAR weekly news:

http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=124&version=1.2.2

I looks like he is adding gettext support in the new version.  Might be
worth checking out.

-Jason

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:04 AM
To: Geeklog Developers
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Translation possibility


Ok, it seems there could be issues with gettext not working on macosx.
I 
will probably stick wtih the concept below.  Please give me some sort of

head nod if you think the approach below makes sense.

--Tony

 On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, 
Tony Bibbs wrote:

> Ok, bare with me but I think I have a potential way of handling this
> translation issue.
> 
> 1) We create an xml file for all languages other than english that 
> looks
> like this:
> <GL2_Translation>
>     <language>de</language>
>     <GL_version></GL_version>
>     <translations>
>         <entry msgid="some english text">translated text</entry>
>         <entry msgid="some other text">other translated text</entry>
>         .
>         .
>         .
>     </translations>
> </GL2_Translation>
> 2) During automated install, the translation type is queried from the 
> user.  
> 2a) if gettext, XML files for all translations are loaded a .po is 
> constructed for each and then we launch msgfmt against all .po's to
get 
> the .mo file
> 2b) otherwise we either leave the XML alone and parse that for each 
> request OR we load it into some structure (similar to current array 
> system)
> 
> After all this I start wondering if gettext is so important it 
> justifies
> the work.  I mean, why not just to with the method in 2b?  My answer, 
> though I can't verify would be speed. I have to believe gettext is 
> faster/more efficient.
> 
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
|   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
|
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
| 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
| 
                   | --Unknown
|
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|


_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dirk at haun-online.de  Mon Feb  3 12:03:01 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:03:01 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
In-Reply-To: <20030202221630.M10583@pigstye.net>
References: <20030202221630.M10583@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <20030203170301.22683@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

>I almost have the static pages 1.2 ready for inclusion in geeklog.

Great :-)


>I am looking for places that permissions and php will make a difference.

The number of existing static pages after the Static Pages entry in the
Admin menu. The number there should correspond to the number of static
pages that the current user actually has access to.

Yes, I know that Geeklog doesn't do that properly yet, e.g. for stories.
That's on my to-do list for 1.3.8 ...


Btw, I would suggest a new version number for this release. Call it 1.3,
1.5 or even 2.0 - but please don't call it 1.2 ;-)

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb  3 14:39:27 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:39:27 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
In-Reply-To: <20030203170301.22683@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030202221630.M10583@pigstye.net> <20030203170301.22683@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030203193927.M31615@pigstye.net>

> The number of existing static pages after the Static Pages entry in the
> Admin menu. The number there should correspond to the number of static
> pages that the current user actually has access to.
> 
Yes that was the one I was forgetting about.
> 
> Btw, I would suggest a new version number for this release. Call it 1.3,
> 1.5 or even 2.0 - but please don't call it 1.2 ;-)
> 
I was thinking about 1.3.  There has been such confusion about the version 
numbers that the version number is not a clear indicator of what the user 
has installed -- I am looking into some other checks (what fields are in the 
database) to determine this for the install.


--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From pfawcett at smx.pair.com  Mon Feb  3 15:59:59 2003
From: pfawcett at smx.pair.com (Pat F)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:59:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog setup
In-Reply-To: <3E2C94A9.4050000@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031550480.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>

Hello all,

We've been using the go-geeklog (version 1.3.7sr1) script to have our
customers install the software on their servers.  It works great if you
follow the instructions posted at:

  http://www.pair.com/pair/support/library/tools/geeklog.html


The tutorial was written by me with the assumption that the geeklog site
is going to be the main site for anydomain.com.  This is why the last few
steps of my tutorial are for remapping the domain.

We've noticed that if you try installing the software so that the geeklog
site wouldn't be the main site (ie. anydomain.com/geeklog), it results in
broken images/missing files in include path errors, etc.  What would it
take to make the geeklog software run for anydomain.com/geeklog?

Thanks,

Patrick
pair Networks, Inc.



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:03:45 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:03:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] go-geeklog issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031550480.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031501320.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

How about a couple of cases of beer.  One for Jason since he's doing most 
of that work and one for me just cause I like beer!

Seriously, it is probably a relative path issue that just needs to be 
changed to be absolute.

--Tony

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Pat F wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> We've been using the go-geeklog (version 1.3.7sr1) script to have our
> customers install the software on their servers.  It works great if you
> follow the instructions posted at:
> 
>   http://www.pair.com/pair/support/library/tools/geeklog.html
> 
> 
> The tutorial was written by me with the assumption that the geeklog site
> is going to be the main site for anydomain.com.  This is why the last few
> steps of my tutorial are for remapping the domain.
> 
> We've noticed that if you try installing the software so that the geeklog
> site wouldn't be the main site (ie. anydomain.com/geeklog), it results in
> broken images/missing files in include path errors, etc.  What would it
> take to make the geeklog software run for anydomain.com/geeklog?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Patrick
> pair Networks, Inc.
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From pfawcett at smx.pair.com  Mon Feb  3 16:10:42 2003
From: pfawcett at smx.pair.com (Pat F)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:10:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031501320.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031609130.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>

Are yinz under 21 or something?  :-p  We already gave you a free server!!!


On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> How about a couple of cases of beer.  One for Jason since he's doing most
> of that work and one for me just cause I like beer!
>
> Seriously, it is probably a relative path issue that just needs to be
> changed to be absolute.
>
> --Tony



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:11:34 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:11:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Translation possibility
In-Reply-To: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C0499@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031509250.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Funny you say that because I just emailed him about this on Friday (no 
response yet).  I'll have to play with his DB-based stuff.  Personally 
accessing the DB for *all* strings on a page doesn't excite me but it 
sounds like he may have developed it with performance in mind (I would 
hope).

--Tony

 On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Jason Whittenburg wrote:

> One more thing to add is I saw this today in the PEAR weekly news:
> 
> http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=124&version=1.2.2
> 
> I looks like he is adding gettext support in the new version.  Might be
> worth checking out.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> -----
> Jason Whittenburg
> Internet Security Systems, Inc.
> 404.236.4043 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:04 AM
> To: Geeklog Developers
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Translation possibility
> 
> 
> Ok, it seems there could be issues with gettext not working on macosx.
> I 
> will probably stick wtih the concept below.  Please give me some sort of
> 
> head nod if you think the approach below makes sense.
> 
> --Tony
> 
>  On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, 
> Tony Bibbs wrote:
> 
> > Ok, bare with me but I think I have a potential way of handling this
> > translation issue.
> > 
> > 1) We create an xml file for all languages other than english that 
> > looks
> > like this:
> > <GL2_Translation>
> >     <language>de</language>
> >     <GL_version></GL_version>
> >     <translations>
> >         <entry msgid="some english text">translated text</entry>
> >         <entry msgid="some other text">other translated text</entry>
> >         .
> >         .
> >         .
> >     </translations>
> > </GL2_Translation>
> > 2) During automated install, the translation type is queried from the 
> > user.  
> > 2a) if gettext, XML files for all translations are loaded a .po is 
> > constructed for each and then we launch msgfmt against all .po's to
> get 
> > the .mo file
> > 2b) otherwise we either leave the XML alone and parse that for each 
> > request OR we load it into some structure (similar to current array 
> > system)
> > 
> > After all this I start wondering if gettext is so important it 
> > justifies
> > the work.  I mean, why not just to with the method in 2b?  My answer, 
> > though I can't verify would be speed. I have to believe gettext is 
> > faster/more efficient.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:15:06 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:15:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031609130.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031512360.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)

No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best case 
of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up in front 
of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley and hops...

--Tony

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Pat F wrote:

> Are yinz under 21 or something?  :-p  We already gave you a free server!!!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> 
> > How about a couple of cases of beer.  One for Jason since he's doing most
> > of that work and one for me just cause I like beer!
> >
> > Seriously, it is probably a relative path issue that just needs to be
> > changed to be absolute.
> >
> > --Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:16:30 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:16:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
In-Reply-To: <20030203193927.M31615@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031516000.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Dirk, I am assuming, with some testing, this new version will go into CVS 
to replace the current one in the 1.3.x tree?

--Tony

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:

> > The number of existing static pages after the Static Pages entry in the
> > Admin menu. The number there should correspond to the number of static
> > pages that the current user actually has access to.
> > 
> Yes that was the one I was forgetting about.
> > 
> > Btw, I would suggest a new version number for this release. Call it 1.3,
> > 1.5 or even 2.0 - but please don't call it 1.2 ;-)
> > 
> I was thinking about 1.3.  There has been such confusion about the version 
> numbers that the version number is not a clear indicator of what the user 
> has installed -- I am looking into some other checks (what fields are in the 
> database) to determine this for the install.
> 
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From dwight at trumbower.com  Mon Feb  3 16:30:29 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:30:29 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031512360.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutd
 oors.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031609130.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203152609.00b5bcd0@localhost>

At 03:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)
>
>No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best case
>of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up in front
>of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley and hops...
>
>--Tony

Is that what I get to look forward too tonight (mid Wisconsin)? The ice is 
coating the trees good and the power is starting to flicker. Have UPS but 
no generator.

I  can see it now -- grill steaks, Leinies, gas fire place and a Coleman 
lantern.



Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dirk at haun-online.de  Mon Feb  3 16:31:18 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:31:18 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031516000.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031516000.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030203213118.22785@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>Dirk, I am assuming, with some testing, this new version will go into CVS 
>to replace the current one in the 1.3.x tree?

That's the plan.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://mypod.de/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Mon Feb  3 16:49:29 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:49:29 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog Forum
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203154719.00b5d2f0@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

Blaine, Matt,

Any chance on getting a early preview of the database schema for the forums?

I want to write a script for converting from vbullettin.

Thanks

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:50:47 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:50:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203152609.00b5bcd0@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031549180.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Yeah I think it is coming your way.  Hey, where about in WI do you live?  
I make it up to Madison about once a year to visit my Uncle.  

--Tony

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:

> At 03:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)
> >
> >No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best case
> >of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up in front
> >of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley and hops...
> >
> >--Tony
> 
> Is that what I get to look forward too tonight (mid Wisconsin)? The ice is 
> coating the trees good and the power is starting to flicker. Have UPS but 
> no generator.
> 
> I  can see it now -- grill steaks, Leinies, gas fire place and a Coleman 
> lantern.
> 
> 
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 16:51:02 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:51:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.2
In-Reply-To: <20030203213118.22785@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031550550.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Sweet.

--Tony

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> 
> >Dirk, I am assuming, with some testing, this new version will go into CVS 
> >to replace the current one in the 1.3.x tree?
> 
> That's the plan.
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb  3 17:00:43 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:00:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog Forum
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203154719.00b5d2f0@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031559370.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Hehe, maybe you can write one for me for phpBB too ;-)

While you are in there, you may want to peak at the indexes to see if you 
see any places where you can eek out a nanosecond here or there.

--Tony


On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:

> Blaine, Matt,
> 
> Any chance on getting a early preview of the database schema for the forums?
> 
> I want to write a script for converting from vbullettin.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From dwight at trumbower.com  Mon Feb  3 17:02:22 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:02:22 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031549180.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutd
 oors.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203152609.00b5bcd0@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203160021.00b73b00@localhost>

I live 15 miles west of Appleton off HWY 10. Between  Dale and Readfield, 
both unincorporated communities.
Takes me 1 hr 40 mins to Madison. Both brother and sister live, there lost.

Dwight

At 03:50 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Yeah I think it is coming your way.  Hey, where about in WI do you live?
>I make it up to Madison about once a year to visit my Uncle.
>
>--Tony
>
>On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:
>
> > At 03:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)
> > >
> > >No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best case
> > >of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up in front
> > >of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley and hops...
> > >
> > >--Tony
> >
> > Is that what I get to look forward too tonight (mid Wisconsin)? The ice is
> > coating the trees good and the power is starting to flicker. Have UPS but
> > no generator.
> >
> > I  can see it now -- grill steaks, Leinies, gas fire place and a Coleman
> > lantern.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |
>tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>                    | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   |
>                    | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  |
>                    | --Unknown                                          |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dwight at trumbower.com  Mon Feb  3 17:12:43 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:12:43 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog Forum
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302031559370.13450-100000@internal.iowaoutd
 oors.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203154719.00b5d2f0@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203160809.00b733a0@localhost>

Shouldn't be too hard to modify for phpBB. I'm going to cheat and borrow 
from inovision's vb converter. It is pretty slick from a user point of 
view, don't know about the code. Haven't looked at it yet.

Fortunately most of these forums are quite similar, in basic db structure. 
It is the bells and whistles that may be lost.

I can peak for indexes.

Dwight

At 04:00 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Hehe, maybe you can write one for me for phpBB too ;-)
>
>While you are in there, you may want to peak at the indexes to see if you
>see any places where you can eek out a nanosecond here or there.
>
>--Tony
>
>
>On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:
>
> > Blaine, Matt,
> >
> > Any chance on getting a early preview of the database schema for the 
> forums?
> >
> > I want to write a script for converting from vbullettin.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
>
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |
>tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>                    | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   |
>                    | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  |
>                    | --Unknown                                          |
>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Feb  4 08:56:27 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:56:27 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0302031550480.27435-100000@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C049D@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

Pat, 

thanks for the feedback, I always like to hear it.  I'll take a look at
the instructions and see what I can do.  I'm also 80% complete with a
new version of go-geeklog that is a web based installer. :-)  I'll be
updating both as new 
versions of GeekLog come out.

I'll also be adding upgrade capability before the next version,
hopefully... :-)

-Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Pat F
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:00 PM
To: Tony Bibbs
Cc: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: [geeklog-devel] geeklog setup


Hello all,

We've been using the go-geeklog (version 1.3.7sr1) script to have our
customers install the software on their servers.  It works great if you
follow the instructions posted at:

  http://www.pair.com/pair/support/library/tools/geeklog.html


The tutorial was written by me with the assumption that the geeklog site
is going to be the main site for anydomain.com.  This is why the last
few steps of my tutorial are for remapping the domain.

We've noticed that if you try installing the software so that the
geeklog site wouldn't be the main site (ie. anydomain.com/geeklog), it
results in broken images/missing files in include path errors, etc.
What would it take to make the geeklog software run for
anydomain.com/geeklog?

Thanks,

Patrick
pair Networks, Inc.

_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Feb  4 08:58:07 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:58:07 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT) (Very Off Topic)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203152609.00b5bcd0@localhost>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C049E@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

It was 72 and sunny here yesterday...

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dwight
Trumbower
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:30 PM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT)


At 03:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)
>
>No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best 
>case of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up 
>in front of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley

>and hops...
>
>--Tony

Is that what I get to look forward too tonight (mid Wisconsin)? The ice
is 
coating the trees good and the power is starting to flicker. Have UPS
but 
no generator.

I  can see it now -- grill steaks, Leinies, gas fire place and a Coleman

lantern.



Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com

_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Feb  4 09:14:05 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:14:05 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT) (Very Off Topic)
In-Reply-To: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C049E@atlmaiexcp02.iss.lo
 cal>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030203152609.00b5bcd0@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030204081301.00b55310@localhost>

It is 20 degrees and getting colder. Suppose to be -5 tonight. Makes great 
ice, if I can get the snow off. Got another few inches but since the wind 
is blowing it looks like 0" or 3 feet.

At 08:58 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It was 72 and sunny here yesterday...
>
>-----
>Jason Whittenburg
>Internet Security Systems, Inc.
>404.236.4043
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dwight
>Trumbower
>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:30 PM
>To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Re: go-geeklog issues (OT)
>
>
>At 03:15 PM 2/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >Oh yeah, forgot about that ;-)
> >
> >No biggy, we have a winter storm here and the wife picked up the best
> >case of Schlitz the corner store could offer.  Nothing like curling up
> >in front of a space heater and drinking some of America's finest barley
>
> >and hops...
> >
> >--Tony
>
>Is that what I get to look forward too tonight (mid Wisconsin)? The ice
>is
>coating the trees good and the power is starting to flicker. Have UPS
>but
>no generator.
>
>I  can see it now -- grill steaks, Leinies, gas fire place and a Coleman
>
>lantern.
>
>
>
>Dwight
>dwight at trumbower.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Tue Feb  4 15:59:26 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:59:26 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Static Pages 1.3
Message-ID: <20030204205926.M98282@pigstye.net>

I encountered a few more file permission issues with Static pages than I had 
anticipated.  Since no one except Dirk answered my plea of where to look I 
thought I would list the places I found issues:

In functions.inc

plugin_getmenuitems
plugin_showstats
plugin_dopluginsearch
plugin_getadminoption
plugin_getuseroption   (not used)

In public_html/staticpages/index.php   Display

In admin/plugins/staticpages/index.php   2 issues
   1)  Display of list of static pages
   2)  Access to static page edit through command line

In both the plugin_getadminoption and plugin_cclabel, I chose to display the 
option even if there were no static pages available, that allows the user to 
create a new page.

Now on to install/upgrade, perhaps the hardest of all.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dirk at haun-online.de  Wed Feb  5 16:28:01 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:28:01 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Other Search Issues
Message-ID: <20030205212801.26113@smtp.haun-online.de>

In addition to the issues with the search in CVS that I posted about
earlier (2003-01-18), here are some more with the search as it is in 1.3.7:

1) This one: <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/
index.php?func=detail&aid=672119&group_id=7371&atid=107371> is
effectively complaining about the timeouts search can run into when it
takes more than 30 CPU seconds.

Would that be fixed with the new search?


2) From Neil Darlow:
>The Search Results display of the query in 1.3.7sr1 doesn't strip slashes 
>from the search return value.
>
>Easily demonstrated by searching for a non-existent phrase with an
apostrophe 
>embedded.


3) From Gene Wood:
>search.php
>- Fixed bug regarding searching for links (URLs) by author.

(Don't know what exactly he fixed there).


Tony, put those on your to-do list, please.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From robg at macosxhints.com  Wed Feb  5 16:33:29 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:33:29 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Other Search Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030205212801.26113@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <001a01c2cd5e$3a59aa90$1901a8c0@griffpc>

4) A search on a term that resides in a URL will result in malformed
URLs when looking at the article with syntax highlighting -- ie, search
on "Apple" on my site and then view a resulting Article, and then hover
over an apple.com URL in the article, and you'll see: <a
href="http://www.<span class=highlight>apple</span>.com">.

-rob.



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb  5 17:56:36 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:56:36 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
Message-ID: <20030205225636.M15561@pigstye.net>

I thought it interesting today to notice that geeklog is installed on an 
internal server at apple.com.  GPlugs.sf.net got 20 hits from apple with 
three coming refered by http://vangelis.apple.com/admin/plugins.php.  I have 
seen them around before but this is the first clear indication they have 
Geeklog installed.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From slord at marelina.com  Wed Feb  5 18:04:20 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:04:20 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <20030205225636.M15561@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <28B95DBE-395E-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Makes sense.  You have 2 of the largest Apple information sites using 
Geeklog as well, osxhints.com and macfixit.com.  There is no doubt in 
my mind that both these sites are visited regularly by Apple employees 
on a daily basis and has influenced people internally.

Maybe they want to release a personal blog solution in the future?  My 
guess is that it's just a personal work blog internally, I've installed 
it at discreet.com for similar reasons.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 05:56 PM, Tom Willett wrote:

> I thought it interesting today to notice that geeklog is installed on 
> an
> internal server at apple.com.  GPlugs.sf.net got 20 hits from apple 
> with
> three coming refered by http://vangelis.apple.com/admin/plugins.php.  
> I have
> seen them around before but this is the first clear indication they 
> have
> Geeklog installed.
>
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From robg at macosxhints.com  Wed Feb  5 18:22:52 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:22:52 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <28B95DBE-395E-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c2cd6d$81bcd240$1901a8c0@griffpc>

And macosxapps.com, as well...

-rob.

> -----Original Message-----
> Makes sense.  You have 2 of the largest Apple information sites using 
> Geeklog as well, osxhints.com and macfixit.com.  There is no doubt in 



From mvonahn at techtracker.com  Wed Feb  5 18:30:28 2003
From: mvonahn at techtracker.com (Marc Von Ahn)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:30:28 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <002e01c2cd6d$81bcd240$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <CF21A646-3961-11D7-B043-003065C6D1F8@techtracker.com>

And soon VersionTracker.com.  THE largest Apple site besides apple
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:22  PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:

> And macosxapps.com, as well...
>
> -rob.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Makes sense.  You have 2 of the largest Apple information sites using
>> Geeklog as well, osxhints.com and macfixit.com.  There is no doubt in
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From slord at marelina.com  Wed Feb  5 18:44:51 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:44:51 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <CF21A646-3961-11D7-B043-003065C6D1F8@techtracker.com>
Message-ID: <D1EEC654-3963-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

So Dirk, should we include a "Made <especially> for Macs" slogan under 
the Geeklog logo?

:)


On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Marc Von Ahn wrote:

> And soon VersionTracker.com.  THE largest Apple site besides apple
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:22  PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
>
>> And macosxapps.com, as well...
>>
>> -rob.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Makes sense.  You have 2 of the largest Apple information sites using
>>> Geeklog as well, osxhints.com and macfixit.com.  There is no doubt in
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From slord at marelina.com  Thu Feb  6 03:27:08 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:27:08 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] News Feeds
Message-ID: <C84389B0-39AC-11D7-A83F-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Just found a Mac application that turns your iDisk into a blog - or 
iBlog in this case.  After reviewing the web site I saw that they 
listed quite a number of useful links to rdf and xml feeds which some 
of you may be interested in.

http://www.lifli.com/Products/iBlog/feeds.htm

Sincerely,
Simon



From slord at marelina.com  Thu Feb  6 03:45:49 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:45:49 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] News Feeds
In-Reply-To: <C84389B0-39AC-11D7-A83F-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <6466DE89-39AF-11D7-A83F-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Yikes.  After installing the application I discovered it has 4 times 
the number of feeds in the app itself that are not on their site.  If I 
get the time Thursday I'll compile their list and post it on 
geeklog.net.

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 03:27 AM, Simon Lord wrote:

> Just found a Mac application that turns your iDisk into a blog - or 
> iBlog in this case.  After reviewing the web site I saw that they 
> listed quite a number of useful links to rdf and xml feeds which some 
> of you may be interested in.
>
> http://www.lifli.com/Products/iBlog/feeds.htm
>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From slord at marelina.com  Thu Feb  6 11:13:51 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:13:51 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] RSS, RDF and XML Feeds
Message-ID: <FB59452A-39ED-11D7-99F8-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

The compiled list is now a Featured Story for today to notify everyone 
of it's availability, you can view the list here:

http://www.geeklog.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20030206094434245

Sincerely,
Simon



From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb  6 11:16:18 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:16:18 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <D1EEC654-3963-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <D1EEC654-3963-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <20030206161618.22744@smtp.haun-online.de>

>So Dirk, should we include a "Made <especially> for Macs" slogan under 
>the Geeklog logo?

Shouldn't that read "Made ON a Mac"? Certainly applies for parts of the
code :-)

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From robg at macosxhints.com  Thu Feb  6 12:59:31 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:59:31 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pop-up topic listing code...
Message-ID: <000e01c2ce09$808f7cf0$1901a8c0@griffpc>

For the longest time, I've been conserving veritcal real estate with a
horizontal topic bar in lieu of the section block ... but I got tired of
it, and decided to create a pop-up topic list for inclusion in the side
panel. You can see the results (on a somewhat irregular basis as the
machine comes and goes from the net) at http://griffman.homeip.net:5080
(login guest, pword guestuser). The code uses one line of Javascript to
execute on selection instead of waiting for the submit button to be
pressed (though that's present as well, just in case).

I added the following very simple function to lib-custom.php:

function phpblock_showtopics($topic='') {
  global $_CONF, $topic;
  $retval = '<div align="center"><br>';
  $retval .= '<form action="index.php" method="get">';
  $retval .= "<select name=\"topic\"
onchange=\"window.location=('/index.php?topic='+this.options[this.select
edIndex].value)\">";
  $retval .= "<option value=\"\">-- All Topics --</option>";
  $retval .= COM_topicList('tid,topic',$topic);
  $retval .= '</select>&nbsp;<input type="submit"
value="Go!"></form></div>';
  return $retval;
}

Then add a new PHP block with phpblock_showtopics as its name, and
you're done. Seems to work pretty well, though I think I need to add the
site URL variable instead of hard coding the /index just in case (but it
was a rush job last night).

-rob.



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Thu Feb  6 13:15:15 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:15:15 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pop-up topic listing code...
In-Reply-To: <000e01c2ce09$808f7cf0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04A5@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

Looks Good!  And the layout of your new site looks great, much cleaner
(assuming that it is going to replace your current one eventually).

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Rob
Griffiths
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:00 PM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pop-up topic listing code...


For the longest time, I've been conserving veritcal real estate with a
horizontal topic bar in lieu of the section block ... but I got tired of
it, and decided to create a pop-up topic list for inclusion in the side
panel. You can see the results (on a somewhat irregular basis as the
machine comes and goes from the net) at http://griffman.homeip.net:5080
(login guest, pword guestuser). The code uses one line of Javascript to
execute on selection instead of waiting for the submit button to be
pressed (though that's present as well, just in case).

I added the following very simple function to lib-custom.php:

function phpblock_showtopics($topic='') {
  global $_CONF, $topic;
  $retval = '<div align="center"><br>';
  $retval .= '<form action="index.php" method="get">';
  $retval .= "<select name=\"topic\"
onchange=\"window.location=('/index.php?topic='+this.options[this.select
edIndex].value)\">";
  $retval .= "<option value=\"\">-- All Topics --</option>";
  $retval .= COM_topicList('tid,topic',$topic);
  $retval .= '</select>&nbsp;<input type="submit"
value="Go!"></form></div>';
  return $retval;
}

Then add a new PHP block with phpblock_showtopics as its name, and
you're done. Seems to work pretty well, though I think I need to add the
site URL variable instead of hard coding the /index just in case (but it
was a rush job last night).

-rob.

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geeklog-devel mailing list
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http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From robg at macosxhints.com  Thu Feb  6 13:21:49 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:21:49 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pop-up topic listing code... [OT]
In-Reply-To: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04A5@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>
Message-ID: <001b01c2ce0c$9e2a0ac0$1901a8c0@griffpc>

Hmm, just noticed you can't do a private reply with the new mailing list
software!  This shouldn

Thanks; yea, most of that (I'm not yet done mucking with the sidebar
color scheme) will be the new look ... eventually.  I have another theme
that will be the default which is the old style, complete with topic bar
and matching color scheme.  I'm going to leave that up for a bit as an
incentive for all my lurkers to register :-).

-rob.



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 14:00:30 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:00:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Other Search Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030205212801.26113@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061300180.3679-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Will do

--Tony

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> In addition to the issues with the search in CVS that I posted about
> earlier (2003-01-18), here are some more with the search as it is in 1.3.7:
> 
> 1) This one: <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/
> index.php?func=detail&aid=672119&group_id=7371&atid=107371> is
> effectively complaining about the timeouts search can run into when it
> takes more than 30 CPU seconds.
> 
> Would that be fixed with the new search?
> 
> 
> 2) From Neil Darlow:
> >The Search Results display of the query in 1.3.7sr1 doesn't strip slashes 
> >from the search return value.
> >
> >Easily demonstrated by searching for a non-existent phrase with an
> apostrophe 
> >embedded.
> 
> 
> 3) From Gene Wood:
> >search.php
> >- Fixed bug regarding searching for links (URLs) by author.
> 
> (Don't know what exactly he fixed there).
> 
> 
> Tony, put those on your to-do list, please.
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 14:01:48 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:01:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <D1EEC654-3963-11D7-8737-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061301370.3679-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

F*cking kill me ;-)

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:

> So Dirk, should we include a "Made <especially> for Macs" slogan under 
> the Geeklog logo?
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Marc Von Ahn wrote:
> 
> > And soon VersionTracker.com.  THE largest Apple site besides apple
> > On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:22  PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
> >
> >> And macosxapps.com, as well...
> >>
> >> -rob.
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> Makes sense.  You have 2 of the largest Apple information sites using
> >>> Geeklog as well, osxhints.com and macfixit.com.  There is no doubt in
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> geeklog-devel mailing list
> >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> Sincerely,
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 14:05:02 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:05:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pop-up topic listing code...
In-Reply-To: <000e01c2ce09$808f7cf0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061304200.3679-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Hrm, it really does look good!

--TOny

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Rob Griffiths wrote:

> For the longest time, I've been conserving veritcal real estate with a
> horizontal topic bar in lieu of the section block ... but I got tired of
> it, and decided to create a pop-up topic list for inclusion in the side
> panel. You can see the results (on a somewhat irregular basis as the
> machine comes and goes from the net) at http://griffman.homeip.net:5080
> (login guest, pword guestuser). The code uses one line of Javascript to
> execute on selection instead of waiting for the submit button to be
> pressed (though that's present as well, just in case).
> 
> I added the following very simple function to lib-custom.php:
> 
> function phpblock_showtopics($topic='') {
>   global $_CONF, $topic;
>   $retval = '<div align="center"><br>';
>   $retval .= '<form action="index.php" method="get">';
>   $retval .= "<select name=\"topic\"
> onchange=\"window.location=('/index.php?topic='+this.options[this.select
> edIndex].value)\">";
>   $retval .= "<option value=\"\">-- All Topics --</option>";
>   $retval .= COM_topicList('tid,topic',$topic);
>   $retval .= '</select>&nbsp;<input type="submit"
> value="Go!"></form></div>';
>   return $retval;
> }
> 
> Then add a new PHP block with phpblock_showtopics as its name, and
> you're done. Seems to work pretty well, though I think I need to add the
> site URL variable instead of hard coding the /index just in case (but it
> was a rush job last night).
> 
> -rob.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 14:06:05 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:06:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Apple and Geeklog
In-Reply-To: <20030206161618.22744@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061305201.3679-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

By the time we get done it'll be something like:

"Made on mac, windows, linux and destined for world domination"

--Tony

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> >So Dirk, should we include a "Made <especially> for Macs" slogan under 
> >the Geeklog logo?
> 
> Shouldn't that read "Made ON a Mac"? Certainly applies for parts of the
> code :-)
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From tomw at pigstye.net  Thu Feb  6 16:18:34 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:18:34 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
Message-ID: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net>

Was surfing around and say this rather disturbing bit of info about php and 
databases.  Well to put it simply PEAR DB appears to be about three times 
slower that mysql -- here are the benchmark times.

        Average	 Overhead
MySQL	 1.14	  -
dbx      1.37     20% (index only)
ADODB	 1.45	  27%
dbx      1.53     34% (index/assoc/info)
PhpLib	 1.60	  40%
MDB      1.75	  54%
PEAR DB  2.87	 152% (fetchInto)
PEAR DB  3.15	 176% (fetchRow)
M'base	 2.52	 296% (numeric cols)
M'base	 4.77	 318% (assoc cols)



and a link to the full article.

http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 17:09:32 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:09:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
In-Reply-To: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Read this:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=pear-dev&m=100793507904834&w=2

Sleep easier now?

--Tony

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:

> Was surfing around and say this rather disturbing bit of info about php and 
> databases.  Well to put it simply PEAR DB appears to be about three times 
> slower that mysql -- here are the benchmark times.
> 
>         Average	 Overhead
> MySQL	 1.14	  -
> dbx      1.37     20% (index only)
> ADODB	 1.45	  27%
> dbx      1.53     34% (index/assoc/info)
> PhpLib	 1.60	  40%
> MDB      1.75	  54%
> PEAR DB  2.87	 152% (fetchInto)
> PEAR DB  3.15	 176% (fetchRow)
> M'base	 2.52	 296% (numeric cols)
> M'base	 4.77	 318% (assoc cols)
> 
> 
> 
> and a link to the full article.
> 
> http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
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From tomw at pigstye.net  Thu Feb  6 18:04:33 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:04:33 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030206230433.M68894@pigstye.net>

So with the enhancements its only 1/2 speed instead of 1/3 speed?

My concern is that even now people complain about speed.  When they see that 
it takes twice as long to render a page, they will really complain.  Much of 
the speed issue now is because of uneeded and redundant db calls done in the 
name of programming ease.  As I see the design of GL2, this will only get 
worse.  A bunch of independent modules do not tend to share the information 
they pulled from the db.

Tom

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:09:32 -0600 (CST), Tony Bibbs wrote
> Read this:
> 
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=pear-dev&m=100793507904834&w=2
> 
> Sleep easier now?
> 
> --Tony
> 
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
> 
> > Was surfing around and say this rather disturbing bit of info about php 
and 
> > databases.  Well to put it simply PEAR DB appears to be about three 
times 
> > slower that mysql -- here are the benchmark times.
> > 
> >         Average	 Overhead
> > MySQL	 1.14	  -
> > dbx      1.37     20% (index only)
> > ADODB	 1.45	  27%
> > dbx      1.53     34% (index/assoc/info)
> > PhpLib	 1.60	  40%
> > MDB      1.75	  54%
> > PEAR DB  2.87	 152% (fetchInto)
> > PEAR DB  3.15	 176% (fetchRow)
> > M'base	 2.52	 296% (numeric cols)
> > M'base	 4.77	 318% (assoc cols)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > and a link to the full article.
> > 
> > http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/
> > 
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't 
|   
> tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>                    | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
>                    | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
>                    | --Unknown                                          |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 18:57:24 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:57:24 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
In-Reply-To: <20030206230433.M68894@pigstye.net>
References: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <20030206230433.M68894@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <3E42F664.4030306@tonybibbs.com>

Well, the requirements for GL2 as they stand now are to support multiple 
  backends.  ADODB and PEAR::DB do this and, according to that link I 
just posted, they are fairly comparable.  You give up speed for 
flexibility in this case.  We could write our own lite DBMS abstraction 
layer but I don't see much value in reinventing the wheel.

Tom, I think many of your issues can be addressed in code.  For example, 
the new session library will reduce the 3 or 4 calls made to get data 
about a user and compress it into one call.  I think there are many 
instances where DB_count in the 1.3.x code is used to get a count for 
something that really isn't needed.  In fact our mantra as we develop 
GL2 should be "less is more".  Are you willing to stick with MySQL as a 
requirement for GL2?  We can bring that back up as a discussion point if 
you want.  Personally, I think pigeon holing ourselves to one DBMS is 
unwise if you want to put GL2 in the hands of as many users as possible. 
   I'd appreciate the input from you other developers here as I don't 
want to sound like a lone-renegade programmer out doing whatever he 
wants, when he wants.  There was concensus on this at one point and we 
tossed around these very things.

What in the design of GL2 do you see getting worse?  I couldn't disagree 
more with your view point here.

--Tony

Tom Willett wrote:
> So with the enhancements its only 1/2 speed instead of 1/3 speed?
> 
> My concern is that even now people complain about speed.  When they see that 
> it takes twice as long to render a page, they will really complain.  Much of 
> the speed issue now is because of uneeded and redundant db calls done in the 
> name of programming ease.  As I see the design of GL2, this will only get 
> worse.  A bunch of independent modules do not tend to share the information 
> they pulled from the db.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:09:32 -0600 (CST), Tony Bibbs wrote
> 
>>Read this:
>>
>>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=pear-dev&m=100793507904834&w=2
>>
>>Sleep easier now?
>>
>>--Tony
>>
>>On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Was surfing around and say this rather disturbing bit of info about php 
> 
> and 
> 
>>>databases.  Well to put it simply PEAR DB appears to be about three 
> 
> times 
> 
>>>slower that mysql -- here are the benchmark times.
>>>
>>>        Average	 Overhead
>>>MySQL	 1.14	  -
>>>dbx      1.37     20% (index only)
>>>ADODB	 1.45	  27%
>>>dbx      1.53     34% (index/assoc/info)
>>>PhpLib	 1.60	  40%
>>>MDB      1.75	  54%
>>>PEAR DB  2.87	 152% (fetchInto)
>>>PEAR DB  3.15	 176% (fetchRow)
>>>M'base	 2.52	 296% (numeric cols)
>>>M'base	 4.77	 318% (assoc cols)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>and a link to the full article.
>>>
>>>http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Tom Willett
>>>tomw at pigstye.net
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>
>>
>>-- 
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't 
> 
> |   
> 
>>tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>>                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
>>                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
>>                   | --Unknown                                          |
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From tomw at pigstye.net  Thu Feb  6 21:25:27 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:25:27 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
In-Reply-To: <3E42F664.4030306@tonybibbs.com>
References: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <20030206230433.M68894@pigstye.net> <3E42F664.4030306@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <20030207022527.M59958@pigstye.net>

On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:57:24 -0600, Tony Bibbs wrote
> Well, the requirements for GL2 as they stand now are to support multiple 
>   backends.  ADODB and PEAR::DB do this and, according to that link I 
> just posted, they are fairly comparable.  You give up speed for 
> flexibility in this case.  We could write our own lite DBMS abstraction 
> layer but I don't see much value in reinventing the wheel.
> 
> Tom, I think many of your issues can be addressed in code.

That was one point that I brought as a way to speed things up.  One of the 
things about the current geeklog setup that contributes (maybe the major 
cause) to the slowness is the kitchen sink style approach where everything 
is loaded for every page.  Tell me another approach will be used in GL2.

> For example, 
> the new session library will reduce the 3 or 4 calls made to get data 
> about a user and compress it into one call.  I think there are many 
> instances where DB_count in the 1.3.x code is used to get a count for 
> something that really isn't needed.  

This is what is needed.

In fact our mantra as we develop 
> GL2 should be "less is more".  

At least as far as database calls go.  I come from the days of writing 
assembly language that modified itself -- a real mess to debug and 
maintain.  I will take well structured readable code to short hacks any day.

> Are you willing to stick with MySQL as a 
> requirement for GL2?  We can bring that back up as a discussion point if 
> you want.  Personally, I think pigeon holing ourselves to one DBMS is 
> unwise if you want to put GL2 in the hands of as many users as possible. 

I think opening up geeklog to use by other databases is great -- I, however, 
wasn't aware of the performance penalty that would be incurred.  I just 
think that we should work doubly hard to reduce the number of required 
database calls by building structures to cache the data we do retrieve.

>    I'd appreciate the input from you other developers here as I don't 
> want to sound like a lone-renegade programmer out doing whatever he 
> wants, when he wants.  There was concensus on this at one point and we 
> tossed around these very things.
> 

And I do not want to shake that concensus.  I just do not want to get 3/4 of 
the way into the coding and find it is too slow.

> What in the design of GL2 do you see getting worse?  I couldn't disagree 
> more with your view point here.

The design issue that I think can make this worse is the idea of several 
independent modules.  I can just see several modules needing e.g. user 
information and each one making several db calls to get what they want.  The 
potential for redundant calls is real.  In the current Geeklog this is 
mitigated by a unified system that shares information, e.g the $_USER 
array.  We need a flexible system for caching data and sharing it with the 
other modules.  I would be in favor of not giving a module direct access to 
the core geeklog tables or to the tables of another module -- making them 
access them through the module interface.  Then each module would be 
responsible for deciding what should be cached.

Lets take my menu plugin in the current geeklog.  It borrows code from lib-
common to display the topics and the user and admin menus.  On nearly every 
page that is displayed several calls to dbcount are made to get the totals 
for each topic and the admin menu.  It would speed things up greatly to have 
a table that contained these totals and therefore need only one database 
call would need to be made.  I considered doing this, however, making all 
the database calls and updating the database of totals caused a noticable 
delay every 20 pages, which is how often I choose to update the totals. To 
do it right would require cooperation between the menu plugin, the main 
geeklog system, as well as every other plugin.

TomW
> --Tony
> 
> Tom Willett wrote:
> > So with the enhancements its only 1/2 speed instead of 1/3 speed?
> > 
> > My concern is that even now people complain about speed.  When they see 
that 
> > it takes twice as long to render a page, they will really complain.  
Much of 
> > the speed issue now is because of uneeded and redundant db calls done in 
the 
> > name of programming ease.  As I see the design of GL2, this will only 
get 
> > worse.  A bunch of independent modules do not tend to share the 
information 
> > they pulled from the db.
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:09:32 -0600 (CST), Tony Bibbs wrote
> > 
> >>Read this:
> >>
> >>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=pear-dev&m=100793507904834&w=2
> >>
> >>Sleep easier now?
> >>
> >>--Tony
> >>
> >>On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Was surfing around and say this rather disturbing bit of info about php 
> > 
> > and 
> > 
> >>>databases.  Well to put it simply PEAR DB appears to be about three 
> > 
> > times 
> > 
> >>>slower that mysql -- here are the benchmark times.
> >>>
> >>>        Average	 Overhead
> >>>MySQL	 1.14	  -
> >>>dbx      1.37     20% (index only)
> >>>ADODB	 1.45	  27%
> >>>dbx      1.53     34% (index/assoc/info)
> >>>PhpLib	 1.60	  40%
> >>>MDB      1.75	  54%
> >>>PEAR DB  2.87	 152% (fetchInto)
> >>>PEAR DB  3.15	 176% (fetchRow)
> >>>M'base	 2.52	 296% (numeric cols)
> >>>M'base	 4.77	 318% (assoc cols)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>and a link to the full article.
> >>>
> >>>http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Tom Willett
> >>>tomw at pigstye.net
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >>>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> >>Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't 
> > 
> > |   
> > 
> >>tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
> >>                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   
| 
> >>                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  
| 
> >>                   | --Unknown                                          |
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> -- 
> +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
> |Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
> |tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
> |                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
> |                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 
> 
> +-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb  6 22:03:42 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:03:42 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Pear DB Overhead
In-Reply-To: <20030207022527.M59958@pigstye.net>
References: <20030206211834.M46309@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061609080.5716-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <20030206230433.M68894@pigstye.net> <3E42F664.4030306@tonybibbs.com> <20030207022527.M59958@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <3E43220E.7040800@tonybibbs.com>

Tom Willett wrote:
> That was one point that I brought as a way to speed things up.  One of the 
> things about the current geeklog setup that contributes (maybe the major 
> cause) to the slowness is the kitchen sink style approach where everything 
> is loaded for every page.  Tell me another approach will be used in GL2.

Correct, couldn't agree more.  In fact I will take it a step further by 
saying we don't need to load a bunch of code into memory with each 
request.  For example, lib-common.php is nice but it is loaded by 
literally every page and only a fraction of the code maybe used. 
Everything I have designed so far for GL2 uses the model-view-controller 
design pattern in a way that only the specific commands needed to handle 
the current request is loaded.

> This is what is needed.

Right, having a session that can persist all kinds of data and retrieve 
it all with one DB call is a great advantage.  We just need to balance 
that new convenience with the fact that if we abuse this new feature our 
sessions could grow to be monsterous degrading performance (this is one 
of the things my java developers tend to abuse)

> At least as far as database calls go.  I come from the days of writing 
> assembly language that modified itself -- a real mess to debug and 
> maintain.  I will take well structured readable code to short hacks any day.

Assembly...man that brings back memories. Let's both be glad we don't 
talk to hardware at that level anymore ;-)

> I think opening up geeklog to use by other databases is great -- I, however, 
> wasn't aware of the performance penalty that would be incurred.  I just 
> think that we should work doubly hard to reduce the number of required 
> database calls by building structures to cache the data we do retrieve.

Right. A good way to do some of this is to use some static variables. 
In fact, using static variables in 1.3.x could greatly reduce the number 
of calls to DB_count.

> And I do not want to shake that concensus.  I just do not want to get 3/4 of 
> the way into the coding and find it is too slow.

Cool, I appreciate you keeping me honest.  I know you have said you 
don't have time but obviously you have know-how to really contribute 
great things in an active development role.  If your plate frees up, by 
all means I'd love to work with you on some of this.  At the very least 
maybe I can talk you into peer code reviews

> 
> The design issue that I think can make this worse is the idea of several 
> independent modules.  I can just see several modules needing e.g. user 
> information and each one making several db calls to get what they want.  The 
> potential for redundant calls is real.  In the current Geeklog this is 
> mitigated by a unified system that shares information, e.g the $_USER 
> array.  We need a flexible system for caching data and sharing it with the 
> other modules.  I would be in favor of not giving a module direct access to 
> the core geeklog tables or to the tables of another module -- making them 
> access them through the module interface.  Then each module would be 
> responsible for deciding what should be cached.

This all sounds good.  Keep in mind that GL2's scope is quite simple. 
It is a kernel.  No frills.  Just facilitate communication and provide 
the framework for layout and formatting.  Also, you are hitting on the 
biggest risk of this entire project.  The GL2 module API needs to be 
second to none.  It needs to build on what we learned from the 1.3.x API 
and be extendable as the GL2 code grows.

Good input!

--Tony



From dwight at trumbower.com  Thu Feb  6 22:42:20 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:42:20 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Menu plugin, language setting
Message-ID: <003a01c2ce5a$ec44b720$22d2e6cf@kidstar>

Tom,

I reinstalled geeklog 1.3.7sr1 and the menu pluging and the lang field did populate this time. Don't know what went wrong the first time. 

Call this issue dead.

Dwight
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From tomw at pigstye.net  Fri Feb  7 10:56:20 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:56:20 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dumb User Day
Message-ID: <20030207155620.M90897@pigstye.net>

Forgive me if I rant a little, I have just run across what have to be three 
of the dumbest users I have ever encountered.

For example:

I had a guy email me about the External Pages Plugin.  He could not figure 
how to use the templates to make an external page.  So I had him send me the 
page he was having trouble with.  I set it up for him and sent it back.  He 
writes back to say it didn't work -- after several emails I determined he 
had never bothered to install the plugin.  Ok I sent him the url to the 
download page.  He writes there are a lot of files on that page which one is 
it.  I write back 'The one that says External Pages Plugin'.  He still 
cannot find it and wants the direct url!  I give up.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dwight at trumbower.com  Fri Feb  7 10:59:35 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:59:35 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dumb User Day
In-Reply-To: <20030207155620.M90897@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030207095856.00b26b68@localhost>

Tell him to put the mouse on the floor and use it as a gas pedal. It might 
work for him.

At 03:56 PM 2/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Forgive me if I rant a little, I have just run across what have to be three
>of the dumbest users I have ever encountered.
>
>For example:
>
>I had a guy email me about the External Pages Plugin.  He could not figure
>how to use the templates to make an external page.  So I had him send me the
>page he was having trouble with.  I set it up for him and sent it back.  He
>writes back to say it didn't work -- after several emails I determined he
>had never bothered to install the plugin.  Ok I sent him the url to the
>download page.  He writes there are a lot of files on that page which one is
>it.  I write back 'The one that says External Pages Plugin'.  He still
>cannot find it and wants the direct url!  I give up.
>
>--
>Tom Willett
>tomw at pigstye.net
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From mvonahn at techtracker.com  Fri Feb  7 11:01:10 2003
From: mvonahn at techtracker.com (Marc Von Ahn)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:01:10 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Dumb User Day
In-Reply-To: <20030207155620.M90897@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <5FFB7C69-3AB5-11D7-B043-003065C6D1F8@techtracker.com>

I think the best idiot user issue I have come across is a private 
message from a user on some forums i had set up asking how to send 
private messages

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 07:56  AM, Tom Willett wrote:

> Forgive me if I rant a little, I have just run across what have to be 
> three
> of the dumbest users I have ever encountered.
>
> For example:
>
> I had a guy email me about the External Pages Plugin.  He could not 
> figure
> how to use the templates to make an external page.  So I had him send 
> me the
> page he was having trouble with.  I set it up for him and sent it 
> back.  He
> writes back to say it didn't work -- after several emails I determined 
> he
> had never bothered to install the plugin.  Ok I sent him the url to the
> download page.  He writes there are a lot of files on that page which 
> one is
> it.  I write back 'The one that says External Pages Plugin'.  He still
> cannot find it and wants the direct url!  I give up.
>
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb  7 11:40:31 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:40:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Article: Geeklog isn't Nuke
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302061050170.3679-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

I am submitting this article idea as I am drafting a letter to you folks 
to make a retraction found in the March Linux Journal.  In that issue, 
there was an article on Weblogs that lead readers to believe that Geeklog 
is a fork of PHP-Nuke.  Much respect needs to be given to PHP-Nuke for 
helping to spur the weblog phenomenon and I think the article gave that 
respect.

However, Geeklog is not a fork of PHP-Nuke. Anybody who compares the 
engines of the two can see that.  Furthermore, such an assertion 
detracts from the time and effort that many people and put into Geeklog 
to make it into what it has become.  So, instead of simply complaining 
about this assertion, I thought an article highlighting what Geeklog is, 
how it differs from other weblogs and where it is going would be a 
fitting follow-up article...unless, of course, you think readers are 
bored with them.

Also, you should have mentioned http://www.opensourcecms.com.  It has most 
popular packages in a demoable state.  That way user's can test drive the 
various ones without having to download, install and configure them.

Anyway, let me know if this article interests you.  At the very least, a 
retraction/correction in the April issue would be much appreciated...

 -- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|





From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 10 09:05:33 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:05:33 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Another Commercial Weblog Article
Message-ID: <20030210140533.M33151@pigstye.net>

While setting on my throne this morning I ran across this article from 
InfoWorld

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/01/10/030113apblogs_1.html

It mentions commercial blog software, most of which I had never heard of.  
But it sounds just like what Geeklog does, I quote:

"While many freeware vendors also offer fee-based software and services for 
corporate users, a newer crop of vendors is stepping up to extend Weblogs to 
specific business processes such as corporate intelligence gathering and 
market research. 

These enterprise-specific blogs from companies including Traction Software, 
Tech Dirt, and Trellix use the same core user-friendly Web publishing 
approach with added features to regulate access control and security and to 
bolster functions such as search. 

Using time and topic as organizational themes, Weblogs allow users to easily 
collect and publish information to the Web from e-mail, Web sites, Microsoft 
Office documents, and other sources. In addition, Weblogs typically use XML 
to embed links from a variety of information sources."

Anybody familiar with any of this software?

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 10 10:08:28 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:08:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] App config stuff...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302100907520.29573-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Any of you seen this before?

http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/patConfiguration/page1.html

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |   
tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
                   | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
                   | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
                   | --Unknown                                          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------|




From langmail at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 10 11:54:02 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:54:02 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] App config stuff...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302100907520.29573-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <00c301c2d125$03b146e0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

That looks pretty good Tony, I had been to this site some time ago but
probally before he released patConfiguration.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Bibbs" <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: "Geeklog Developers" <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] App config stuff...


> Any of you seen this before?
>
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/patConfiguration/page1.html
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't |
> tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>                    | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   |
>                    | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  |
>                    | --Unknown                                          |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 10 12:51:23 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:51:23 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] App config stuff...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302100907520.29573-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302100907520.29573-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030210175123.M89416@pigstye.net>

Looks good to me - would allow easy extension for upgrades and plugins.

Tom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:08:28 -0600 (CST), Tony Bibbs wrote
> Any of you seen this before?
> 
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/patConfiguration/page1.html
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> Tony Bibbs         | "I guess you have to remember that those who don't 
|   
> tony at tonybibbs.com | hunt or fish often see those of us who do as       |
>                    | harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you   | 
>                    | think about it, that might be a fair assessment."  | 
>                    | --Unknown                                          |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 10 13:58:48 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:58:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: [tony@tonybibbs.com: Article: Geeklog isn't Nuke] (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302101258250.29573-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

FYI, I will probably do a short write up on this...

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:54:32 -0800
From: Don donmarti Marti <dmarti at ssc.com>
To: tony at tonybibbs.com
Subject: Re: [tony at tonybibbs.com: Article: Geeklog isn't Nuke]

Tony,

> However, Geeklog is not a fork of PHP-Nuke. Anybody who compares the 
> engines of the two can see that.  Furthermore, such an assertion 
> detracts from the time and effort that many people and put into Geeklog 
> to make it into what it has become.  So, instead of simply complaining 
> about this assertion, I thought an article highlighting what Geeklog is, 
> how it differs from other weblogs and where it is going would be a 
> fitting follow-up article...unless, of course, you think readers are 
> bored with them.

If you're interested in doing an article on Geeklog, please send
me an outline.  We have a lot of readers who like this kind of stuff.

-- 
Don Marti      
Editor in Chief                 dmarti at linuxjournal.com
Linux Journal                   Phone: 650-967-1840     
http://linuxjournal.com/        Linux Journal editorial office: 206-782-9011



From mark.limburg at baesystems.com  Mon Feb 10 17:36:49 2003
From: mark.limburg at baesystems.com (LIMBURG, Mark)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:06:49 +1030
Subject: [geeklog-devel] App config stuff...
Message-ID: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45501C7511C@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Howdy,

 > Any of you seen this before?
 > 
 > http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/patConfiguration/page1.html

Sure have.  I've played with a few of the PAT tools.  The only annoying
thing is the way you have to use their db classes to use their other classes
- with some nice coding, this could be altered though as their db layer is
nice but limited.  The way he's done it all though is very sweet, and I'm
sure the methodologies he's used we could also use.

Hehe, in short, it's well worth looking at :)

Regards,

Mark Limburg
Team Leader, Unix Operations, Information Systems

BAE SYSTEMS, AUSTRALIA
PO Box 1068, Salisbury
South Australia,  5108
Phone: +61 8 8480 7971
Fax:   +61 8 8480 8866
Mobile:+61 4 0448 0599


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 10 21:45:35 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:45:35 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Sendmail hack demonstratable
Message-ID: <3E4863CF.5080501@tonybibbs.com>

OK, I have a demo of the sendmail hack working.  No real security to it 
yet so be nice ;-)

As a reminder, this hack allows people to communicate with Geeklog via 
email.  The code is pretty generic and could be used easily with just 
about any program.

I moved the server code to www.geeklog.net and the client stuff is on my 
mail server.

All interaction requires a command and a username (eventually a 
password).  To get a list of all installed commands send a message to 
geeklog-test at lists.geeklog.net with this:

command: help
username: <geeklog.net username>

That should send you an email that explains that submitstory is the only 
command installed (new commands are easily added).  Then to get help on 
a specific command email the same address with this:

command: help submitstory
username: <geeklog.net username>

That will return the details of the submitstory command.  Then, per the 
message send a message with this:

command: submitstory
username: <geeklog.net username>
title: <story title>
topic: <topic id>
mode: <html or plaintext>
story: <text for the story>

This *should* save a new story to the submission queue.

I'll be adding security here shortly and then documenting this stuff. 
Not sure how usefull this really is to Geeklog as I know I won't 
personally use it but we have had requests for it and I thought it would 
be a fun challenge.  They way it is built, it is VERY easy to add new 
commands which makes this of interest to plugins too.

Send any feedback...

-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From dwight at tsystemscorp.com  Tue Feb 11 16:57:47 2003
From: dwight at tsystemscorp.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:57:47 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] leftblock.thtml
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030211155610.00b273d8@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

Where is this file used in geeklog? Or more approperately, what needs to be 
set for it to get used?

Dwight Trumbower

T Systems Corp
Custom Database Solutions
dwight at tsystemscorp.com
920-667-4438



From slord at marelina.com  Wed Feb 12 09:10:21 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:10:21 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] newscom.com
Message-ID: <B8D8D563-3E93-11D7-A18D-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Hi all, a friend of mine pointed out the following site.  It's the news 
feed for most news centers *apparently*.  You're supposed to subscribe 
for free (like GL) to view ~12 news topics.  You have to pay to get 
world news or something.  Anyhow, the following link actually 
circumvents the subscription and takes you to the free news feeds.

http://prn.newscom.com/

Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Feb 12 13:19:28 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:19:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Anonymous CVS access available
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121218450.12801-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

http://www.geeklog.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20030212131112900

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From dirk at haun-online.de  Wed Feb 12 13:58:03 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:58:03 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog and MySQL 3.22
Message-ID: <20030212185803.1085@smtp.haun-online.de>

Apparantly, many hosting services are still running MySQL 3.22.something
:-/ Among them is, for example, Germany's second biggest hoster (1.5
million .de domains).

So it may be worthwhile to investigate what's keeping Geeklog from
working on MySQL 3.22. One of the users of geeklog.info already spent
some time with this and found a simple solution for the problem with the
What's New block.

All you need to do is change the syntax for subtraction of times from '-'
to 'date_sub', e.g.

$sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE (date
>= (NOW() - INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND)) AND (date <=
NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")"; 

to 

$sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE (date
>= (date_sub(NOW(), INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND))) AND
(date <= NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")"; 

(and a similar change in another place).

Question for the (My)SQL gurus: Do you see any problems with this.
Performance-wise, compatibility, etc?


The other issue people will run into is actually at install time when
they get errors like "1121: Column 'date' is used with UNIQUE or INDEX
but is not defined as NOT NULL". The install docs mention this problem,
but the solution there (removing two line from mysql_tableanddata.php) is
out of date since we introduced additional index fields in 1.3.7.

Not sure what we could do there other than providing a second version of
mysql_tableanddata.php without the additional index fields ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Feb 12 14:09:16 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:09:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog and MySQL 3.22
In-Reply-To: <20030212185803.1085@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121305570.12801-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Changing to date_sub probably won't hurt performance and teh benefit of 
having GL workign on 3.22.x good enough to warrant (though I'm still 
laughing my ass off that any reputable ISP would still be using that 
version)

As for indexes, I think the easy thing is to add a new array $_INDEXES in 
teh mysqltableanddata.php which are a series of alter table commands to 
add indexes.  Then teh installer would need to 1) connect and create DB 
structures 2) get the mysql version 3) if version > 3.22 then execute 
everything in $_INDEXES.

That way you have something that I think is easier to maintain with 
subsequent versions, no?

--Tony

 On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:

> Apparantly, many hosting services are still running MySQL 3.22.something
> :-/ Among them is, for example, Germany's second biggest hoster (1.5
> million .de domains).
> 
> So it may be worthwhile to investigate what's keeping Geeklog from
> working on MySQL 3.22. One of the users of geeklog.info already spent
> some time with this and found a simple solution for the problem with the
> What's New block.
> 
> All you need to do is change the syntax for subtraction of times from '-'
> to 'date_sub', e.g.
> 
> $sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE (date
> >= (NOW() - INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND)) AND (date <=
> NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")"; 
> 
> to 
> 
> $sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE (date
> >= (date_sub(NOW(), INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND))) AND
> (date <= NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")"; 
> 
> (and a similar change in another place).
> 
> Question for the (My)SQL gurus: Do you see any problems with this.
> Performance-wise, compatibility, etc?
> 
> 
> The other issue people will run into is actually at install time when
> they get errors like "1121: Column 'date' is used with UNIQUE or INDEX
> but is not defined as NOT NULL". The install docs mention this problem,
> but the solution there (removing two line from mysql_tableanddata.php) is
> out of date since we introduced additional index fields in 1.3.7.
> 
> Not sure what we could do there other than providing a second version of
> mysql_tableanddata.php without the additional index fields ...
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Wed Feb 12 19:35:05 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:35:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog and MySQL 3.22
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121305570.12801-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <20030212185803.1085@smtp.haun-online.de>
        <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302121305570.12801-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <1131.66.156.82.61.1045096505.squirrel@vault.7south.com>

My $0.02

MySQL AB does not recommend anyone run 3.22 unless they have special
needs.  Additionally, MySQL 3.22 is no longer supported by MySQL AB.  I
have no problem with anyone spending some time to make it work, but it
does seem counter productive.  Also it seems that MySQL 4.0 will be going
take the "stable/production" title soon.

-Jason

Tony Bibbs said:
> Changing to date_sub probably won't hurt performance and teh benefit of
> having GL workign on 3.22.x good enough to warrant (though I'm still
> laughing my ass off that any reputable ISP would still be using that
> version)
>
> As for indexes, I think the easy thing is to add a new array $_INDEXES
> in  teh mysqltableanddata.php which are a series of alter table commands
> to  add indexes.  Then teh installer would need to 1) connect and create
> DB  structures 2) get the mysql version 3) if version > 3.22 then
> execute  everything in $_INDEXES.
>
> That way you have something that I think is easier to maintain with
> subsequent versions, no?
>
> --Tony
>
>  On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:
>
>> Apparantly, many hosting services are still running MySQL
>> 3.22.something :-/ Among them is, for example, Germany's second
>> biggest hoster (1.5 million .de domains).
>>
>> So it may be worthwhile to investigate what's keeping Geeklog from
>> working on MySQL 3.22. One of the users of geeklog.info already spent
>> some time with this and found a simple solution for the problem with
>> the What's New block.
>>
>> All you need to do is change the syntax for subtraction of times from
>> '-' to 'date_sub', e.g.
>>
>> $sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE
>> (date
>> >= (NOW() - INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND)) AND (date
>> <=
>> NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")";
>>
>> to
>>
>> $sql = "SELECT count(*) AS count FROM {$_TABLES['stories']} WHERE
>> (date
>> >= (date_sub(NOW(), INTERVAL {$_CONF['newstoriesinterval']} SECOND)))
>> AND
>> (date <= NOW()) AND (draft_flag = 0) AND (" . $nesql . ")";
>>
>> (and a similar change in another place).
>>
>> Question for the (My)SQL gurus: Do you see any problems with this.
>> Performance-wise, compatibility, etc?
>>
>>
>> The other issue people will run into is actually at install time when
>> they get errors like "1121: Column 'date' is used with UNIQUE or INDEX
>> but is not defined as NOT NULL". The install docs mention this
>> problem, but the solution there (removing two line from
>> mysql_tableanddata.php) is out of date since we introduced additional
>> index fields in 1.3.7.
>>
>> Not sure what we could do there other than providing a second version
>> of mysql_tableanddata.php without the additional index fields ...
>>
>> bye, Dirk
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
> think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
> --Unknown
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


-- 
Jason Whittenburg, Sr
Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
AIM: jwhitten00
ICQ: 9012034
MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com




From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb 13 12:48:15 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:48:15 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Geeklog and MySQL 3.22
In-Reply-To: <1131.66.156.82.61.1045096505.squirrel@vault.7south.com>
References: <1131.66.156.82.61.1045096505.squirrel@vault.7south.com>
Message-ID: <20030213174815.27732@smtp.haun-online.de>

Jason Whittenburg <me at jasonwhittenburg.com> wrote:

>MySQL AB does not recommend anyone run 3.22 unless they have special
>needs.

Don't tell me, tell Strato <http://www.strato.de/> ;-)

They won't listen, however. They're Germany's second biggest hoster and
their service su^Wis not good. But they're (relatively) cheap and well-
known, so people will continue to use them.


>I have no problem with anyone spending some time to make it work, but it
>does seem counter productive.

Geeklog did work fine with old versions of MySQL until the recent changes
came in. If there's a chance to fix that without too much effort, I think
we should do it.

I've added the changes for the What's New block to CVS now and will look
into Tony's suggestion for the index fields later.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.tinyweb.de/



From danny at squatty.com  Thu Feb 13 21:00:15 2003
From: danny at squatty.com (Danny Ledger)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:00:15 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Andromeda with Geeklog
Message-ID: <001401c2d3cc$d793c510$1202a8c0@fatty>

It's not much but, any press is good press...

I recently co-authored a Geeklog/Andromeda integration how-to with Scott
Matthews the, creator of Andromeda
(http://www.turnstyle.com/andromeda/geeklog.asp).  His site gets a
significant amount of traffic.

I just thought I'd share the news.

Thanks,

--
Danny Ledger (a.k.a squatty)
danny at squatty.com
http://www.squatty.com





From slord at marelina.com  Fri Feb 14 14:34:28 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:34:28 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
Message-ID: <55083EA8-4053-11D7-9385-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Hi all.  I just installed the 4images media library and it rocks! 
However, I have the need to brand the images.  Ideally I'd like to have 
a script that automatically merges the site url (alpha channel tiff) to 
the bottom left of the uploaded image.

I'm certain one of you understands what I mean.  That way if images 
from my site are copied and transfered elsewhere the domain from which 
they originated from is branded permanently to it and not easily 
removed (ie, it's a pain in the ass to recrop images).

If anyone has a script that does this with netpbm or imagemagick, 
please post!

Sincerely,
Simon



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Fri Feb 14 14:54:00 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:54:00 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
References: <55083EA8-4053-11D7-9385-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <003101c2d462$d1758a60$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Simon,

I believe this is what you are looking for:
http://www.4homepages.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3808&highlight=alpha+channel

I've not personally tried it.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Lord" <slord at marelina.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding


> Hi all.  I just installed the 4images media library and it rocks!
> However, I have the need to brand the images.  Ideally I'd like to have
> a script that automatically merges the site url (alpha channel tiff) to
> the bottom left of the uploaded image.
>
> I'm certain one of you understands what I mean.  That way if images
> from my site are copied and transfered elsewhere the domain from which
> they originated from is branded permanently to it and not easily
> removed (ie, it's a pain in the ass to recrop images).
>
> If anyone has a script that does this with netpbm or imagemagick,
> please post!
>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From slord at marelina.com  Fri Feb 14 14:58:24 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:58:24 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
In-Reply-To: <003101c2d462$d1758a60$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <AD00FFF0-4056-11D7-9385-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Exactly.  Does the GD lib work on Linux?  I need a Linux solution.

On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 02:54 PM, Blaine Lang wrote:

> Simon,
>
> I believe this is what you are looking for:
> http://www.4homepages.de/forum/ 
> viewtopic.php?t=3808&highlight=alpha+channel
>
> I've not personally tried it.
>
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Lord" <slord at marelina.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:34 PM
> Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
>
>
>> Hi all.  I just installed the 4images media library and it rocks!
>> However, I have the need to brand the images.  Ideally I'd like to  
>> have
>> a script that automatically merges the site url (alpha channel tiff)  
>> to
>> the bottom left of the uploaded image.
>>
>> I'm certain one of you understands what I mean.  That way if images
>> from my site are copied and transfered elsewhere the domain from which
>> they originated from is branded permanently to it and not easily
>> removed (ie, it's a pain in the ass to recrop images).
>>
>> If anyone has a script that does this with netpbm or imagemagick,
>> please post!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Simon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 14 15:46:12 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:46:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
In-Reply-To: <AD00FFF0-4056-11D7-9385-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302141445500.26410-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

YOu can probably do this with any damned library.  Yes GD runs on linux.

--Tony

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:

> Exactly.  Does the GD lib work on Linux?  I need a Linux solution.
> 
> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 02:54 PM, Blaine Lang wrote:
> 
> > Simon,
> >
> > I believe this is what you are looking for:
> > http://www.4homepages.de/forum/ 
> > viewtopic.php?t=3808&highlight=alpha+channel
> >
> > I've not personally tried it.
> >
> > Blaine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Lord" <slord at marelina.com>
> > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:34 PM
> > Subject: [geeklog-devel] Image branding
> >
> >
> >> Hi all.  I just installed the 4images media library and it rocks!
> >> However, I have the need to brand the images.  Ideally I'd like to  
> >> have
> >> a script that automatically merges the site url (alpha channel tiff)  
> >> to
> >> the bottom left of the uploaded image.
> >>
> >> I'm certain one of you understands what I mean.  That way if images
> >> from my site are copied and transfered elsewhere the domain from which
> >> they originated from is branded permanently to it and not easily
> >> removed (ie, it's a pain in the ass to recrop images).
> >>
> >> If anyone has a script that does this with netpbm or imagemagick,
> >> please post!
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> geeklog-devel mailing list
> >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> Sincerely,
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 14 15:47:15 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:47:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Hosting...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302141446250.26410-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Where were we on the hosting ideas, guys?  I know we had some issues 
around pricing and whatnot.  Who owns the next action items?

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From slord at marelina.com  Mon Feb 17 23:33:49 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:33:49 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Hello?
Message-ID: <2CB9A003-42FA-11D7-9F1A-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

/me performs mouth to list resuscitation...

Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Feb 18 12:01:20 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:01:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <2CB9A003-42FA-11D7-9F1A-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302181059380.27575-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Sorry, somebody managed to figure out that, like an idiot, I listed 
mail.iowaoutdoors.org in /etc/mail/access instead of just the internal IP 
address.  With that knowledge, a spammer managed spoof that domain and 
send hundreds of messages through my box.  Luckily I caught this before I 
got blacklisted.

--Tony

 On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:

> /me performs mouth to list resuscitation...
> 
> Sincerely,
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From robg at macosxhints.com  Tue Feb 18 13:15:46 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:15:46 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: search suggestion
Message-ID: <001701c2d779$c2b80650$1901a8c0@griffpc>

I've had three similar requests like this from users since the site
launched with the new search engine ... I would think it would be pretty
easy to have a checkbox labeled "Show summaries" (defaulting to "yes").
If the user un-checks it, just skip the summary routine in search.php
... 

Thoughts?

-rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Van Ham
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:27 AM
To: webteam at macosxhints.com
Subject: search suggestion


I like your new layout but I have one suggestion:  Is it possible to 
have the search return a list of ALL matches on the same page but 
without the summary?  I find it much easier to browse for a particular 
topic when there are only titles.  The summaries slow me down.  Perhaps 
it would be possible to have that as an option?

Thanks for all your hard work

Anthony



From robg at macosxhints.com  Tue Feb 18 14:37:13 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:37:13 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
Message-ID: <002a01c2d785$238f95f0$1901a8c0@griffpc>

Is this true or false?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, but is a '+'
legal in an email address?

-rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Scaldeferri [mailto:kevin at scaldeferri.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM
To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
Subject: email validation


Your website's email validation for new user registration does not 
appear to accept "+" as a valid character in an email address.   This is

an error.



From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Feb 18 15:32:27 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:32:27 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
In-Reply-To: <002a01c2d785$238f95f0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030218143011.00b2d448@localhost>

To the best of my knowledge domains can only have letters, numbers and 
hypens. There are hosting services that want  you to use a + between you 
name and domain for accessing email but it is not valid to send a email in 
that format.

Dwight

At 11:37 AM 2/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Is this true or false?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, but is a '+'
>legal in an email address?
>
>-rob.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kevin Scaldeferri [mailto:kevin at scaldeferri.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM
>To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
>Subject: email validation
>
>
>Your website's email validation for new user registration does not
>appear to accept "+" as a valid character in an email address.   This is
>
>an error.
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Feb 18 15:44:19 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:44:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] [PEAR] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Validate-0.0.4 (alpha) Released. (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302181443330.28742-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

This is worth noting.  Should be usable in GL2 once it gets out of beta.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 16 Feb 2003 18:42:44 -0000
From: PEAR Announce <pear-dev at lists.php.net>
To: PEAR general list <pear-general at lists.php.net>
Subject: [PEAR] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Validate-0.0.4 (alpha) Released.

The new PEAR package Validate-0.0.4 (alpha) has been released at http://pear.php.net/.

Release notes
-------------
- Fix a string bug using 'format' argumenent (pierre)
- Add isbn check
- Add UK postalcode check (dams at php.net)
- Add siret/siren to FR (dams at php.net)
- Add rib to FR (pierre)
- Update all functions to be callable from the multiple method (pierre)

Package Info
-------------
Package to validate various datas. It includes :
* numbers (min/max, decimal or not)
* email (syntax, domain check)
* string (predifined type alpha upper and/or lowercase, numeric,...)
* date (min, max)
* Credit cards
* possibility valid multiple data with a single method call (::multiple)
* Locale validation, i.e. DBI for spain, ssn for FR,US, more to come

Related Links
-------------
Package home: http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?package=Validate
   Changelog: http://pear.php.net/package-changelog.php?package=Validate
    Download: http://pear.php.net/get/Validate-0.0.4.tgz

Authors
-------------
Pierre-Alain Joye <paj at pearfr.org> (lead)
Thomas V.V.Cox <cox at idecnet.com> (lead)
Tim Gallagher <timg at sunflowerroad.com> (contributor)
Brent Cook <busterb at mail.utexas.edu> (contributor)


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To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Tue Feb 18 15:46:08 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:46:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030218143011.00b2d448@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302181445460.28742-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Never heard of it.  I'd wait until we get a few more requests before I'd 
consider it 'worthy' of our attention.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge domains can only have letters, numbers and 
> hypens. There are hosting services that want  you to use a + between you 
> name and domain for accessing email but it is not valid to send a email in 
> that format.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> At 11:37 AM 2/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Is this true or false?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, but is a '+'
> >legal in an email address?
> >
> >-rob.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kevin Scaldeferri [mailto:kevin at scaldeferri.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM
> >To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
> >Subject: email validation
> >
> >
> >Your website's email validation for new user registration does not
> >appear to accept "+" as a valid character in an email address.   This is
> >
> >an error.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devel mailing list
> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From robg at macosxhints.com  Tue Feb 18 15:54:28 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:54:28 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302181445460.28742-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <003e01c2d78f$ee0cb2e0$1901a8c0@griffpc>

I don't think this is in the domain side, I think it's in the address
side.  From what I've seen in the forum site registration (which accepts
a plus sign), lots of people are using things like
"myname+somesite at mydomain.com" now as a means of trapping spam.  Their
ISP ignores whatever's after the "+" and delivers the email to them, and
then they can see who has spammed their name...

I can just tell him "we're looking into it" for now.

-rob.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net 
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
> 
> 
> Never heard of it.  I'd wait until we get a few more requests 
> before I'd 
> consider it 'worthy' of our attention.
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:
> 
> > To the best of my knowledge domains can only have letters, 
> numbers and
> > hypens. There are hosting services that want  you to use a 
> + between you 
> > name and domain for accessing email but it is not valid to 
> send a email in 
> > that format.
> > 
> > Dwight
> > 
> > At 11:37 AM 2/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Is this true or false?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, 
> but is a '+' 
> > >legal in an email address?
> > >
> > >-rob.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Kevin Scaldeferri [mailto:kevin at scaldeferri.com]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM
> > >To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
> > >Subject: email validation
> > >
> > >
> > >Your website's email validation for new user registration does not
> > >appear to accept "+" as a valid character in an email 
> address.   This is
> > >
> > >an error.
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
>                     --Unknown
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-> devel
> 



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Feb 18 16:08:16 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:08:16 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
In-Reply-To: <003e01c2d78f$ee0cb2e0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04C3@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

+ is never valid in a domain name, a domain name must start with a
letter and could be followed by zero or more letters, digits and
hyphens, but cannot end with a hyphen.  See RFC 1034 and RFC 1035 for
domain names.

It used to be you wouldn't use + in an email address because of UUCP
routing, etc...  But, + should be technically legal.  According to the
RFC 822 you can use chars in the range #33..#126 except ()<>@,;:\/".[].
Also, according to the RFC, extended characters (#128..#255) cannot be
part of an email address, however many mail servers accept them and
people use them.

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Rob
Griffiths
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:54 PM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation


I don't think this is in the domain side, I think it's in the address
side.  From what I've seen in the forum site registration (which accepts
a plus sign), lots of people are using things like
"myname+somesite at mydomain.com" now as a means of trapping spam.  Their
ISP ignores whatever's after the "+" and delivers the email to them, and
then they can see who has spammed their name...

I can just tell him "we're looking into it" for now.

-rob.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] FW: email validation
> 
> 
> Never heard of it.  I'd wait until we get a few more requests
> before I'd 
> consider it 'worthy' of our attention.
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Dwight Trumbower wrote:
> 
> > To the best of my knowledge domains can only have letters,
> numbers and
> > hypens. There are hosting services that want  you to use a
> + between you
> > name and domain for accessing email but it is not valid to
> send a email in
> > that format.
> > 
> > Dwight
> > 
> > At 11:37 AM 2/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Is this true or false?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work,
> but is a '+'
> > >legal in an email address?
> > >
> > >-rob.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Kevin Scaldeferri [mailto:kevin at scaldeferri.com]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:33 AM
> > >To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
> > >Subject: email validation
> > >
> > >
> > >Your website's email validation for new user registration does not 
> > >appear to accept "+" as a valid character in an email
> address.   This is
> > >
> > >an error.
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
>                     --Unknown
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-> devel
> 

_______________________________________________
geeklog-devel mailing list
geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From webteam at macosxhints.com  Wed Feb 19 08:35:20 2003
From: webteam at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 05:35:20 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Bug and fix in What's New routine...
Message-ID: <FDAEE192-440E-11D7-AE1D-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>

First, a >HUGE< thanks to Marc for taking the better part of an hour or  
so yesterday to help debug this one!  After my 1.3.7 upgrade went live  
on Sunday afternoon, all looked good.  But a couple of days later, I  
noticed that the What's New box didn't appear to be sorting correctly,  
and comments I knew I had added recently weren't showing up.  I  
compared the box contents with a selection from the COMMENTS table  
sorted by date, and sure enough, many comments were missing.

After much futzing with various queries from Marc as he debugged this  
one, it appears that if you have a few stories with many comments, the  
original SQL will not select a large enough sample to get the 15 most  
recent comments (or something like that; we could get it working by  
expanding the size of the "LIMIT" statement).  Marc re-wrote the query  
in an absolute manner, and all I've done is insert the proper variable  
substitutions.  I haven't even bothered to line break it and make it  
pretty, but it definitely works -- my What's New block now matches the  
comments table sorted by date posted.

In lib-common.php, the original query is:

   $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT count(*) AS  
dups,type,question,{$_TABLES['stories']}.title,{$_TABLES['stories']}.sid 
,qid "
   . "FROM {$_TABLES['comments']} LEFT JOIN {$_TABLES['stories']} ON  
(({$_TABLES['stories']}.sid = {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND (" .  
$stsql . ")) "
   . "LEFT JOIN {$_TABLES['pollquestions']} ON ((qid =  
{$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND (" . $posql . ")) WHERE (";
   $sql .= "{$_TABLES['comments']}.date >= (NOW() - INTERVAL  
{$_CONF['newcommentsinterval']} SECOND)) AND ((" .  $stwhere . ") OR ("  
. $powhere . "))";
   $sql .= " GROUP BY {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid ORDER BY  
{$_TABLES['comments']}.date DESC LIMIT 25";

Marc' re-written query is:

   $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT count(*) AS dups, type, question,  
{$_TABLES['stories']}.title, {$_TABLES['stories']}.sid, qid,  
max(comments.date) as lastdate FROM {$_TABLES['comments']} LEFT JOIN  
{$_TABLES['stories']} ON (({$_TABLES['stories']}.sid =  
{$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND ({$stsql})) LEFT JOIN  
{$_TABLES['pollquestions']} ON ((qid = {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND  
(({$posql}))) WHERE ({$_TABLES['comments']}.date >= (NOW() - INTERVAL  
{$_CONF['newcommentsinterval']} SECOND)) AND ((({$stwhere})) OR  
(({$powhere}))) GROUP BY {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid ORDER BY 7 DESC  
LIMIT 25";

If someone could clean up the formatting and get this into the next  
minor update, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again, Marc!

-rob.



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Feb 19 14:39:10 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:39:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2 and languages (part 1)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302191337380.3456-101000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

So that you all don't think I've given up on GL2, I am sending a few 
messages from the PEAR author of a translation package.  I think we may 
have hit a bump that may not allow us to use it...be looking for the 
subsequent posts

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:11:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: Wojciech Zielinski <voyteck at caffe.com.pl>
Subject: Re: You language file

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Wojciech Zielinski wrote:
> I suppose the xgettext.sh is a script that will extract all the strings 
> from the PHP code files to XML file ? Why do you use the shell-scripting 
> ? In such case you're making this solution platform-dependend. I would 
> suggest to do it as PHP scripts

Sorry, yes, xgettext.sh would be a PHP shell script that should run fine 
on both windows/*nix.  Keep in mind, too, that only the project admins 
need access to this.  PHP shell scripting seemed to make sense because 
windows version of php now has the php-cli by default.  I also like it 
because it would be an easy transition for gettext users.

 - I was thinking about the webpage, on 
> which user will upload the code file, and this will get all the strings 
> and present them to the user. The presentation would be the table with 
> the columns: StringID, String, Parameters. User will be able to modify 
> the extracted files and then generate the new code for the page, the XML 
> file or even the SQL code that will update the DB.
> 
> Translation interface
> This one I do not uderstand at all... Please clarify whjat you wanted to 
> say :)

Ok, in most applications there is some sort of administration interface.  
>From there you would be able to access the 'translation interface'.  This 
is the interface translators would use to translate english strings to 
some other language.  When accessed, the translation interface will look 
for the english.xml file parse it and show a form similar to the one you 
described which shows the english strings on the left and a text field on 
the right to hold the translated text.  The translator would simply run 
through all the strings, translate them and hit 'save'.  When they 
hit save it will simply create a new xml file (e.g. german.xml)  My 
diagram didn't explain this too well.  

See the attached diagram for updates.

> 
> Admnistration process
> does it deal only with the gettext files ? What is the purpose of 
> converting XML files to gettext files, if we can use the XML files in 
> the Translation class ?

Well, this part needs more clarification too. Keep in mind that the 
translated .xml files are the basis for implementing all translation types 
(db, gettext, file-based).  I don't envision the XML file really being 
used directly.  I envision in the apps configuration file a setting called 
something like:

$confTranslationMethod = 'gettext'; // can be 'gettext', 'db', or 'file'

I think something I missed here is that the PEAR_msgfmt.sh script will 
need to do a few things:
1) generate gettext file
2) pump translations into DB

See the updated diagram I've attached.

This way, no matter what method they choose for $confTranslationMethod, 
the underlying data would already be in the available forms.

> 
> Object model
> Looks good - however I suppose the TranslatorFactory is my Translation 
> class - am I right ? Besides in the 1.3 version it's going to be 
> completelly transparent if user uses the XML, Db or gettext files. I 
> mean - the method for getting any of them is the same - just inside the 
> class the specific source is determined.

Well, this is just a factory design pattern.  All the translation factory 
does is create the right translator and return it to caller.  All 
translation classes (DB, gettext, XML) would have the same exact methods.  
Let me know if that didn't make any sense.

> I hope this will help you. As I understand - we can work together and 
> after that we'll be able to publish the new solution on PEAR. As I saw - 
> all the things you described are to be implemented in 1.3 version of 
> Translation.

I'd be more than happy to help!

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown

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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Wed Feb 19 14:42:41 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:42:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL2 translations (part 2)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302191341130.3456-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

This is the latest email I have.  When he responds to the for-profit junk 
I'll let you all know where this stands.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:48:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
To: Wojciech Zielinski <voyteck at caffe.com.pl>
Subject: Re: You language file

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Wojciech Zielinski wrote:
> Uz.ytkownik Tony Bibbs napisa?:
> Well - my idea was not to use the PHP shell scripting either. I was 
> rather thinking about dedicated website, that will generate the correct 
> scripts for the user websites and DBs. The very far plans are to make 
> some money on these scripts - e.g. allowing users to make their sites 
> translations-ready for some amount of money.
> Giving the solution for free will simply cut the possibility to earn 
> something on this :)

Even if you have a dedicated website, that site can call the script 
directly.  So I don't see that as a problem.

However, and I don't mean this as criticism, I don't agree at all with the 
notion of having to pay to make translations with your package.  Don't get 
me wrong, I am all for making money and if that is your aim then more 
power to you.  To be sure I am clear, the implication is that at some 
point in the future, any PHP project using your translation class would 
have to pay for using it, right?

If I am right, this is a deal breaker for me and I would not be interested 
in persuing this further.  Again, don't take that personal.  It would mean 
that we disagree philisophically on this (which is OK).  I'll continue 
with my input below just in case I have misinterpreted your statements.

> I think the Translation Admin should rather work on the DB directly, 
> and, after the changes - it should generate teh XML files. We shouldn't 
> force translators to install eny sophisticated tools on their machines. 
> I think translators can work in 2 possible manners:
> - translator gets the XML file and edits it directly (it's up to him 
> waht tool he's gona use)
> - translator accesses the admin panel on the site he translates and from 
> that panel he changes the strings in DB (or in XML files directly, if 
> the site does not use the DB engine, which will be available since 1.3 
> version). After the changes are commited - the XML files on the server 
> are updated.

Well given this is a web interface, what they are working with should be 
transparent.  They shouldn't care if it is a DB or a file as long as the 
administration works.  Sophisticated tools?  What is so sophisticated?  
Are you referring to XML parsing?

> What for to deal with gettext files, if we alerady have the XML and DB ? 
> Waht is the purpose of converting one file format (XML) to another 
> (gettext) if the Translation class will use them in the same way ?
> The gettext support in the Translation class is intended to be used only 
> in the situation if the user has ONLY the gettext files.
> The only other features I can are
> - some script that will convert gettext files into DB scripts
> - some script that will convert the PHP scripts, that are using the 
> gettext() tehod into scripts, that will use the Translation objects instead
> I just think that converting one file format to another, while the class 
> supports both in the same way is simple waste of time :)

You make a good point.  My only reason for suggesting this is that my 
hunch is that gettext will do the translations better (faster with less 
memory usage) than with anything we implement in raw PHP.  I have no data 
to support that and I'd be interested to see what some rudimentary tests 
would show.

> 
> That is performed by Transation class. It works in the following way:
> 1. While creating you specify the source - DB, gettext or XML
> 2. To get the string you use the gstr() method. The class will check 
> which source is used, and in fact will call in the proper way the needed 
> method. But the methods for the differnet sources will be protected on 
> the class (in fact - it will simply be undocumented - as you cannot make 
> the methods protected in PHP at the moment :) )

We are talking roughly the same thing. Only difference is that the 
translation factory would return the right class with only the exposed 
methods.  The other benefit is you don't include a bunch of code that 
isn't going to be used saving on server memory.  The factory pattern is a 
well established design pattern by the Gang of Four. If you aren't 
familiar I'd seriously consider using it (in fact Horde and many of the 
other PEAR packages use this pattern).  The amount of work to you would be 
minimal, it's just a matter of refactoring the existing code.

> 
> So I think we should go in the following way:
> 1. Complete all the design things - how the whole pavkage i going to work
> 2. Agree what will be done by each of us (I suppose I will edal with all 
> the things concerning the class itself, and you can make the additional, 
> administrative scripts) - after that we'll put the class into PEAR 
> repository (of course I will add you to the developers list, however I 
> will stay as lead if you don't mind)
> 3. You will be able to incorporate the solution in your system - with my 
> full support

Again, I'm hesitant to commit to anything right now because of the 
for-profit idea you had.  Let's toss that around a bit more and from there 
I will be in a better situation to commit or not.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown





From robg at macosxhints.com  Thu Feb 20 13:02:18 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:02:18 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: Bad spanish translation!
Message-ID: <002101c2d90a$35d188a0$1901a8c0@griffpc>

A reader sent in some proposed changes to the Spanish language
translation for Geeklog. I'm not sure who's in charge of the Spanish
translation, but I thought these might be relevant.  I (fairly
obviously) have no idea if what he states is correct or not...

-rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: urcindalo [mailto:urcindalo at mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:42 AM
To: webteam2 at macosxhints.com
Subject: Bad spanish translation!


Dear Sir,

First of all, thanks for the site. Perhaps, the best OS X site on the 
net!! I'm registered as urcindalo.

Second, as a spaniard, may I suggest you a correction for some of the 
translated text?

* "Next" is not "pr?ximo" in your case, but "Siguiente".

* "Previous" should be "Anterior"

* When it says "N comentarios Env?o m?s reciente" it should read "N 
comentarios El ?ltimo es del..."

* "Preferencias de Noticias" should be "Preferencias de comentarios", 
as shown when you click on the link. Then, "Modo de visualizaci?n" 
should be "modo de presentaci?n". The translated options are 
"Seguidos",  "Seguidos con jerarqu?a", "No se muestran", "S?lo el 
primero"

* On the same link, "?Primero los m?s viejos o los m?s nuevos?" should 
be "?Primero los m?s antiguos o los m?s recientes?" (viejo and nuevo 
are only for material things). Translated options are "M?s recientes" 
and "M?s antiguos".

* "Limite por comentario" should be "L?mite por comentario" (note the 
accented ?). Then, "El valor por defecto es 100" should be "El valor 
por misi?n es 100". Finally, "Grabar la informaci?n" is as simple as 
"Guardar" ;-)

* When you click on the corrected "Guardar", it now reads: "Sus 
preferencias para Comentarios han sido grabadas con ?xito". But, 
instead it should read: "Sus preferencias para los comentarios se han 
guardado correctamente".

* "Enviar a un amigo" should be "Enviar a alguien".

* There a lot to be translated, yet. If you want, I can help you.

Again, thanks for a magnificient site,

Ramiro T?llez Sanz
Dpto. Qu?mica F?sica
Edificio de Qu?micas
Universidad de Almer?a
04130 - La Ca?ada (Almer?a)
SPAIN
Phone: +34 950 015 616
rtellez at ual.es



From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb 20 13:15:00 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:15:00 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] FW: Bad spanish translation!
In-Reply-To: <002101c2d90a$35d188a0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
References: <002101c2d90a$35d188a0$1901a8c0@griffpc>
Message-ID: <20030220181500.11280@smtp.haun-online.de>

Rob Griffiths <robg at macosxhints.com> wrote:

>I'm not sure who's in charge of the Spanish
>translation, but I thought these might be relevant.  I (fairly
>obviously) have no idea if what he states is correct or not...

The current Spanish translation was made by "LeChuck". Since I don't
speak Spanish either, I'll forward this to the geeklog-translations
mailing list and just hope that he sees it ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.tinyweb.de/



From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb 20 13:51:14 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:51:14 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Bug and fix in What's New routine...
In-Reply-To: <FDAEE192-440E-11D7-AE1D-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>
References: <FDAEE192-440E-11D7-AE1D-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>
Message-ID: <20030220185114.26457@smtp.haun-online.de>

Rob Griffiths <webteam at macosxhints.com> wrote:

>Marc' re-written query is:
>
>   $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT count(*) AS dups, type, question,  
>{$_TABLES['stories']}.title, {$_TABLES['stories']}.sid, qid,  
>max(comments.date) as lastdate FROM {$_TABLES['comments']} LEFT JOIN  
>{$_TABLES['stories']} ON (({$_TABLES['stories']}.sid =  
>{$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND ({$stsql})) LEFT JOIN  
>{$_TABLES['pollquestions']} ON ((qid = {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid) AND  
>(({$posql}))) WHERE ({$_TABLES['comments']}.date >= (NOW() - INTERVAL  
>{$_CONF['newcommentsinterval']} SECOND)) AND ((({$stwhere})) OR  
>(({$powhere}))) GROUP BY {$_TABLES['comments']}.sid ORDER BY 7 DESC  
>LIMIT 25";

Some comments:

- max(comments.date) should read max({$_TABLES['comments']}.date)
- I'd suggest using DATE_SUB instead of the '-' to make it work with old
versions of MySQL
- The original LIMIT is 15 comments, not 25


>If someone could clean up the formatting and get this into the next  
>minor update, it'd be greatly appreciated.

This (with the above changes) is now in CVS and also running on both
geeklog.net and geeklog.info.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From mark.limburg at baesystems.com  Thu Feb 20 20:30:36 2003
From: mark.limburg at baesystems.com (LIMBURG, Mark)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:00:36 +1030
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL1.3.x and Smarty
Message-ID: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45501C75146@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Howdy,

I've been writing a web app for my work, which used Smarty as the template
engine.  I am seriously amazed at what and how this template tool works ..
precompiled templates and real logic control inside the template itself
provides SO much power, it makes me giddy. As such, I've been toying with
the idea of implementing Smarty into a version of GL to see how it handles
it ... and last night, I altered the main page and some of lib-common.php to
use it.  It looks very very good.

If there's interest, I'd commit myself to make a full conversion and
release.  This would include moving the GL code over to the manipulation of
arrays/variables, and simply pass them over to the Smarty template .. which
would then handle the control and placement of the data.  Additional options
in Smarty include template cache and PHP inside templates.  I'd look at
moving XSilver and SmoothBlue over first, then the rest of the standard
themes.  The GL version I'd use would be the current CVS, and as I'm
working, I'd add whatever individual changes done to CVS to my variation.

Comments?

Regards,

Mark Limburg
Alpha Geek, Unix Operations, Information Systems

BAE SYSTEMS, AUSTRALIA
PO Box 1068, Salisbury
South Australia,  5108



From danny at squatty.com  Fri Feb 21 02:13:40 2003
From: danny at squatty.com (Danny Ledger)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:13:40 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Corrupted SID
Message-ID: <000001c2d978$c58d7440$1202a8c0@fatty>

I've got a funky issue on my site that I can't for the life of me figure
out.  Granted, I was fiddling around with some code last night.  I did
however roll-back all my changes.

Here's the scenario.  All comments are being posted with a "corrupted"
SID.  The form values are showing up as follows:

<input type="hidden" name="sid"
value="5745f09c7691470ed1d549c2e76205c6">

In addition, the CID gets posted in odd increments.  For example, say
the last post is CID 1180.  The next post will get added as CID 1196.

Has anyone seen this before?

Thanks!

--
Danny Ledger (a.k.a squatty)
danny at squatty.com
http://www.squatty.com





From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 21 11:04:41 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:04:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Fortune Plugin and GL2
In-Reply-To: <20030221151927.M94376@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302210920280.18728-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Well, the first question I would have is it that important to support more 
than one template library? (i.e. is that really a requirement).  I'm 
haven't had a chance to think completely through this yet.  I can say that 
we've decided not to use PHPLib's library but, rather, the 
PEAR::HTML_Template_IT. I will say the layout flexibility that we've all 
talked about over the past year or so will definitely test the limits of 
any template package we pick.

I'm not sure how many of us developers understand design patterns and how 
to use them.  I am hoping the fortune plugin gets some folks 
started...unfortunately you are the only one to take notice so far.  I am 
still amazed at how much cleaner and more efficient the code is.  This 
should have a very noticeable impact on Geeklog 2.

Speaking of all this, check this out:

http://phrame.itsd.ttu.edu/

Oh, and FYI, I have send this to geeklog-devel too.

--Tony

 On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:

> > 
> > Are you talking about some sort of template factory?  Expand on that a 
> > bit.
> > 
> 
> One of the normal examples given for use of an abstract factory is to use it 
> for ui items such as command bars, button bars, menus, etc.  Then it does 
> not matter what windowing system you use, x, motif, etc.  The windowing 
> system interface is a concrete factory.
> 
> It seems we could go one of two ways with a template factory.  We could 
> abstract the design elements (tables, lists, list items, headings, etc) and 
> use code or templates for the placement of these elements.  Or we could 
> abstract the templates we have now (header.thtml, footer.thtml, etc).  Or we 
> could do a combination of both.  The concrete factories would then be the 
> implementations of each theme.  The template engine would be part of the 
> concrete factories, making it easy to switch template engines.  The concrete 
> factory could be nothing more than a generic factory passed a path to the 
> template files.
> 
> Make sense?  Does everyone know what we are talking about with factory and 
> MVC (model-view-controller) models?
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 21 11:45:04 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GL1.3.x and Smarty
In-Reply-To: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45501C75146@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211040030.19510-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

I don't think there is any interest in doing any template engine changes 
in 1.3.x.  My guess is that it would break current themes and, even if 
not, we don't get very many complaints with the current engine.  Besides, 
just the regression testing alone makes me cringe

For GL2 we have been looking at PEAR::HTML_Template_ITX which you can read 
about here: http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=108.  This is still 
up for debate but, in general, we are looking to use PEAR when at all 
possible.

--Tony

 On Fri, 21 
Feb 2003, LIMBURG, Mark wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> I've been writing a web app for my work, which used Smarty as the template
> engine.  I am seriously amazed at what and how this template tool works ..
> precompiled templates and real logic control inside the template itself
> provides SO much power, it makes me giddy. As such, I've been toying with
> the idea of implementing Smarty into a version of GL to see how it handles
> it ... and last night, I altered the main page and some of lib-common.php to
> use it.  It looks very very good.
> 
> If there's interest, I'd commit myself to make a full conversion and
> release.  This would include moving the GL code over to the manipulation of
> arrays/variables, and simply pass them over to the Smarty template .. which
> would then handle the control and placement of the data.  Additional options
> in Smarty include template cache and PHP inside templates.  I'd look at
> moving XSilver and SmoothBlue over first, then the rest of the standard
> themes.  The GL version I'd use would be the current CVS, and as I'm
> working, I'd add whatever individual changes done to CVS to my variation.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark Limburg
> Alpha Geek, Unix Operations, Information Systems
> 
> BAE SYSTEMS, AUSTRALIA
> PO Box 1068, Salisbury
> South Australia,  5108
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 21 12:06:49 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:06:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: You language file (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211106320.19510-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Ok, I guess this will work OK after all...

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:07:11 +0100
From: Wojciech Zielinski <voyteck at caffe.com.pl>
To: Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com>
Subject: Re: You language file

Uz.ytkownik Tony Bibbs napisa?:
> Even if you have a dedicated website, that site can call the script 
> directly.  So I don't see that as a problem.
> 
> However, and I don't mean this as criticism, I don't agree at all with the 
> notion of having to pay to make translations with your package.  Don't get 
> me wrong, I am all for making money and if that is your aim then more 
> power to you.  To be sure I am clear, the implication is that at some 
> point in the future, any PHP project using your translation class would 
> have to pay for using it, right?
> 
> If I am right, this is a deal breaker for me and I would not be interested 
> in persuing this further.  Again, don't take that personal.  It would mean 
> that we disagree philisophically on this (which is OK).  I'll continue 
> with my input below just in case I have misinterpreted your statements.
You took it worngly. The Translation class will always be free and using 
it will always be off-charge. The only thing I am _thinking_only_ now is 
to create a payable website, that will help in translating the large 
projects by using the Translation class.
Imagine the situation you are the company that is hosting the large 
website and needs to add another language to that website. They can use 
the Translation class - they can hire some programmers, that will 
convert the whole PHP (or even HTML) code to the Translation-using code. 
They will have to pay them for some automatic work, that will look like 
they are getting all the visible strings (in case of PHP e.g. strings 
enclosed by "" and that are paraeters to printf() or echo methods) and 
changing them to proper tr->gstr() calls. And this work must be done on 
e.g. 100-1000 pages (scripts).
My intention is to make a website, on which this company may upload 
their scripts and they will be parsed by some engine, which will result 
the scripts with proper tr->gstr() calls and proper SQL scripts (or XML 
files) that will update the DB with correct strings.
And the only chargeable tjing is making such scripts - in fact making 
something, that would need much autoamtic work.
And - about the Translation class - anybody will always be able to use 
it _without_any_charge_ - so the OpenSource philosophy will not be 
forgotten :)
Besides - I think the money this will be able to make will be only 
sufficient enough to maintain some website especially dedicated for 
Translation - I do not think it's gona be some large money :)

If you're still interested - please let me know and we'll continue the 
development :)

Regards

Voyteck



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 21 12:14:54 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:14:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Re: Fortune Plugin and GL2
In-Reply-To: <20030221170742.M7400@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302211109000.19510-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:

> No that is not a requirement, but I have found that designing in flexibility 
> and encapsulating things in objects always ends up better in the long run, 
> even though it takes a little more design work at the beginning.  

True, just as long as we balance this flexibility with the fact that using 
layers of OO objects does have it's overhead.  I'm not saying that would 
be a big issue here.

> 
> The exchangability of template engines could have two plusses.  1)  If a 
> particular app you wanted to integrate GL2 with used a different template 
> engine, you could swap out GL2s engine.  2)  What if 2 years down the road 
> (or God forbid, just before the intial release of GL2) some new whizbang 
> template engine comes along, we could change it out with little difficulty.

Yep, on the con side, though, is template engine changes usually require 
changes to the templates (adding/removing template variables, etc).  That, 
in turn breaks any current themes so the overall value to allowing this in 
Geeklog maybe a bit overstated.  However, allowing modules to use GL's 
abstract template classes to fit their current engine does have some 
value, I admit.  That way modules can pick-n-choose which template engine 
they want to use.  Then my only question is from a end-user standpoint you 
may end up having to learn more on the rules for valid template files for 
each engine...is that oK?

> 
> One big advantage that I see to making as much as possible oo is that it 
> will be easy to create high level generic classes that plugin developers can 
> extend as needed.  With a template factory, we could even make generic 
> templates, customizable through code for such things as Admin pages.

Regardless of what we do, this will all be OO-PHP.  I think all you and I 
are talking about is if we need to introduce a layer of abstraction here.

> I have not seen this, looks interesting.  I will be on the road this weekend 
> and into next week, I will try to look at it then.

Safe journey...

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From robg at macosxhints.com  Fri Feb 21 21:36:07 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:36:07 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
Message-ID: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>

Greeting, GL Dev Team...

Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I 
couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe I've 
identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think 
www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any 
casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.  
Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches, 
install problems, basic questions, etc.

I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it to 
news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team 
members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With the 
Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better served 
in that environment, would they not?

It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to people 
about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard to start, 
it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the most out of 
it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing what Geeklog 
 >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are having with it?

I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash, 
phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks to 
opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of 
troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some 
random support questions and postnuke had a section called "Support").  
The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather, 
announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that I 
visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the 
homepage...

Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage" 
homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is, 
how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a link 
for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org), 
etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current collection 
of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.

<asbestos>
   Flame away....
</asbestos>

-rob.



From slord at marelina.com  Fri Feb 21 23:35:29 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:35:29 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>
Message-ID: <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?

On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:

> Greeting, GL Dev Team...
>
> Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I 
> couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe I've 
> identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think 
> www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any 
> casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.  
> Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches, 
> install problems, basic questions, etc.
>
> I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it 
> to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team 
> members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With 
> the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better 
> served in that environment, would they not?
>
> It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to 
> people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard to 
> start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the 
> most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing 
> what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are 
> having with it?
>
> I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash, 
> phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks 
> to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of 
> troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some 
> random support questions and postnuke had a section called "Support"). 
>  The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather, 
> announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that 
> I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the 
> homepage...
>
> Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage" 
> homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is, 
> how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a link 
> for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org), 
> etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current collection 
> of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
>
> <asbestos>
>   Flame away....
> </asbestos>
>
> -rob.
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Sat Feb 22 00:15:22 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:15:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>
        <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <2032.68.158.6.37.1045890922.squirrel@vault.7south.com>

I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...

I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka geeklog.sourceforge.net)
was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A forum would be better for
that.

To say again in PHP terms "+1"

-Jason


Simon Lord said:
> Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
>
>> Greeting, GL Dev Team...
>>
>> Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I
>> couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe I've
>>  identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
>> www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
>> casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
>> Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
>> install problems, basic questions, etc.
>>
>> I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it
>> to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
>> members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
>> the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
>> served in that environment, would they not?
>>
>> It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
>> people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard to
>>  start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the
>> most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing
>> what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are
>> having with it?
>>
>> I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
>> phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks
>> to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of
>> troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some
>> random support questions and postnuke had a section called "Support").
>>
>>  The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
>> announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that
>> I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the
>> homepage...
>>
>> Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
>> homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is,
>> how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a link
>>  for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org),
>> etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current collection
>>  of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
>>
>> <asbestos>
>>   Flame away....
>> </asbestos>
>>
>> -rob.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


-- 
Jason Whittenburg, Sr
Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
AIM: jwhitten00
ICQ: 9012034
MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com




From langmail at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 22 00:18:47 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:18:47 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
References: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>        <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com> <2032.68.158.6.37.1045890922.squirrel@vault.7south.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c2da31$e07c4b50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Totally agree!

Do we have a forum that we can use?

How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well that is
integrated into the GL search?
I am just putting the finishing touches on this one - see my site
(www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.

I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to convert all
the existing stories to forum topics.
I could write such a tool - but do we really need to wait.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user


> I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
>
> I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka geeklog.sourceforge.net)
> was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A forum would be better for
> that.
>
> To say again in PHP terms "+1"
>
> -Jason
>
>
> Simon Lord said:
> > Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
> >
> > On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
> >
> >> Greeting, GL Dev Team...
> >>
> >> Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I
> >> couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe I've
> >>  identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
> >> www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
> >> casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
> >> Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
> >> install problems, basic questions, etc.
> >>
> >> I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it
> >> to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
> >> members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
> >> the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
> >> served in that environment, would they not?
> >>
> >> It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
> >> people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard to
> >>  start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the
> >> most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing
> >> what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are
> >> having with it?
> >>
> >> I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
> >> phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks
> >> to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of
> >> troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some
> >> random support questions and postnuke had a section called "Support").
> >>
> >>  The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
> >> announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that
> >> I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the
> >> homepage...
> >>
> >> Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
> >> homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is,
> >> how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a link
> >>  for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org),
> >> etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current collection
> >>  of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
> >>
> >> <asbestos>
> >>   Flame away....
> >> </asbestos>
> >>
> >> -rob.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> geeklog-devel mailing list
> >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >>
> >>
> > Sincerely,
> > Simon
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
> --
> Jason Whittenburg, Sr
> Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
> AIM: jwhitten00
> ICQ: 9012034
> MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Sat Feb 22 09:22:12 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:22:12 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c2da31$e07c4b50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>        <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com> <2032.68.158.6.37.1045890922.squirrel@vault.7south.com> <00ad01c2da31$e07c4b50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>

I too am in agreement.  I have no problem employing the forum plugin 
here.  I'd go a step further that if we are going to do 'marketing' in 
the content of the articles then we need to draw up a new theme that has 
more market qualities.  So if I hear this right here is what needs to be 
  done:

1) Install forum
2) Post new article about shift in focus for articles and announce the 
forums
3) Develop a new theme

Of course, this is all find and dandy, question is who will work on each 
task ;-)

Blaine if we do do this, we will definitely want a hack that can convert 
a story submission to a forum post. I gaurantee once we try to roll this 
out we will have users posting things that belong in the forums to the 
story submission queue.  I have ideas on how to do this that require 
little change to the core GL stuff...

So, any volunteers?  I nominate Knuckles for the theme ;-)

I can install the forum plugin.   and post the article

Blaine can you write the converter?

Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have been 
quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?

--Tony

Blaine Lang wrote:
> Totally agree!
> 
> Do we have a forum that we can use?
> 
> How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well that is
> integrated into the GL search?
> I am just putting the finishing touches on this one - see my site
> (www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.
> 
> I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to convert all
> the existing stories to forum topics.
> I could write such a tool - but do we really need to wait.
> 
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
> 
> 
> 
>>I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
>>
>>I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka geeklog.sourceforge.net)
>>was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A forum would be better for
>>that.
>>
>>To say again in PHP terms "+1"
>>
>>-Jason
>>
>>
>>Simon Lord said:
>>
>>>Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
>>>
>>>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Greeting, GL Dev Team...
>>>>
>>>>Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I
>>>>couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe I've
>>>> identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
>>>>www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
>>>>casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
>>>>Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
>>>>install problems, basic questions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it
>>>>to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
>>>>members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
>>>>the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
>>>>served in that environment, would they not?
>>>>
>>>>It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
>>>>people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard to
>>>> start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the
>>>>most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing
>>>>what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are
>>>>having with it?
>>>>
>>>>I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
>>>>phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks
>>>>to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of
>>>>troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some
>>>>random support questions and postnuke had a section called "Support").
>>>>
>>>> The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
>>>>announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that
>>>>I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the
>>>>homepage...
>>>>
>>>>Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
>>>>homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is,
>>>>how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a link
>>>> for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org),
>>>>etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current collection
>>>> of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
>>>>
>>>><asbestos>
>>>>  Flame away....
>>>></asbestos>
>>>>
>>>>-rob.
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Simon
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jason Whittenburg, Sr
>>Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
>>AIM: jwhitten00
>>ICQ: 9012034
>>MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


-- 
+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

+-------------------+--------------------------------------------------+



From dwight at trumbower.com  Sat Feb 22 09:47:15 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:47:15 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
References: <657C4510-460E-11D7-AFA5-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>        <127C88B5-461F-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com> <2032.68.158.6.37.1045890922.squirrel@vault.7south.com> <00ad01c2da31$e07c4b50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <003501c2da81$4bf1a840$1dd2e6cf@kidstar>

Here is a small start. I created a new category and then used this sql to
add one story and there comments to the forum. For multiple stories a xref
table would need to be created to get all the ids correct. Since the
comments and forum use a parent child model it isn't all that hard(easier
than converting vbulletin).

Obviously this is a mass import and no long term hack.

Insert into gl_forum_topic( uid, subject, comment,forum,date,name )
SELECT s.uid, s.title, CONCAT(s.introtext, " ", s.bodytext),2,s.date,
u.username
FROM gl_stories s, gl_users u
WHERE s.uid=u.uid
and s.tid = "Help";

INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic(subject, comment, date, uid, id, pid, name,
forum)
SELECT c.title, c.comment, c.date, c.uid, c.cid, c.pid, u.username, 2
FROM gl_comments c, gl_users u, gl_stories s
where c.uid=u.uid
and s.sid = c.sid
and s.tid="Help";


Dwight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user


> Totally agree!
>
> Do we have a forum that we can use?
>
> How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well that
is
> integrated into the GL search?
> I am just putting the finishing touches on this one - see my site
> (www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.
>
> I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to convert
all
> the existing stories to forum topics.
> I could write such a tool - but do we really need to wait.
>
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
>
>
> > I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
> >
> > I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka geeklog.sourceforge.net)
> > was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A forum would be better for
> > that.
> >
> > To say again in PHP terms "+1"
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> >
> > Simon Lord said:
> > > Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
> > >
> > > On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
> > >
> > >> Greeting, GL Dev Team...
> > >>
> > >> Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I
> > >> couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe
I've
> > >>  identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
> > >> www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
> > >> casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
> > >> Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
> > >> install problems, basic questions, etc.
> > >>
> > >> I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it
> > >> to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
> > >> members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
> > >> the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
> > >> served in that environment, would they not?
> > >>
> > >> It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
> > >> people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard
to
> > >>  start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the
> > >> most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be publicizing
> > >> what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people are
> > >> having with it?
> > >>
> > >> I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
> > >> phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks
> > >> to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort of
> > >> troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had some
> > >> random support questions and postnuke had a section called
"Support").
> > >>
> > >>  The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
> > >> announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage that
> > >> I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the
> > >> homepage...
> > >>
> > >> Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
> > >> homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it is,
> > >> how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a
link
> > >>  for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org),
> > >> etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current
collection
> > >>  of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
> > >>
> > >> <asbestos>
> > >>   Flame away....
> > >> </asbestos>
> > >>
> > >> -rob.
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jason Whittenburg, Sr
> > Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
> > AIM: jwhitten00
> > ICQ: 9012034
> > MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>



From dirk at haun-online.de  Sat Feb 22 09:47:31 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:47:31 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>
References: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <20030222144731.1445@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have been 
>quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?

I do have an opinion and it's "Let's do it".

Since I installed the forum on geeklog.info, people have been starting to
post most of the support requests there. So they do accept it (but see below).

The forum may need some work, though, to catch up with the problems we've
been having with Geeklog in the past. For example, words in curly
brackets like {site_url} currently vanish from forum posts. Also, we may
hit the problem with single quotes causing SQL errors on geeklog.net (I
don't know if we do, but if we do, it renders the forum pretty much
useless). This is already causing some gripes on geeklog.info ...


>I gaurantee once we try to roll this 
>out we will have users posting things that belong in the forums to the 
>story submission queue.

Yep. Over on the www.macosx-faq.de, people keep posting questions to the
Geeklog site even though I added big fat "please post questions to the
forums" hints all over the place. I think Rob has the same problem on
www.macosxhints.com.
 

>I have ideas on how to do this that require 
>little change to the core GL stuff...

It shouldn't be too hard to write a plugin that posts story submissions
to the forums. I did something similar for the YaBB forum that I run
alongside the MacOS X FAQ (the main problem there is that you have two
separate user bases - that should be much easier with Geeklog's
integrated forum).

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://mypod.de/



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 22 11:21:26 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:21:26 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
References: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com> <20030222144731.1445@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <002701c2da8e$72e7a4b0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de> wrote:
> The forum may need some work, though, to catch up with the problems we've
> been having with Geeklog in the past. For example, words in curly
> brackets like {site_url} currently vanish from forum posts. Also, we may
> hit the problem with single quotes causing SQL errors on geeklog.net (I
> don't know if we do, but if we do, it renders the forum pretty much
> useless). This is already causing some gripes on geeklog.info ...

I've tried to duplicate this and can not. I've tested this under
1) WinXP IIS - PHP4.3
2) FreeBSD - PHP4.1
3) Linux - PHP 4.3

In all cases I can post single quotes, double quotes {curley brackets} or
another character.
Tested with magic_quotes_gpc = on and off
See my recent test on my site - currently hosted at a service provider

Tested results:
http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=454

For my phpinfo: http://www.langfamily.ca/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=9

---------------------

So if anyone who has this error or can duplicate it. Please do a little
testing and give me more information.

Additionally, it's easy to use .htaccess to change the local value of
magic_quotes_gpc or other php setting.
This works - tested by adding debug code in my common forum function that
formats the data before SQL inserts
That function is gf_preparefordb() in the
public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php file

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user


> Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:
>
> >Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have been
> >quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?
>
> I do have an opinion and it's "Let's do it".
>
> Since I installed the forum on geeklog.info, people have been starting to
> post most of the support requests there. So they do accept it (but see
below).
>
> The forum may need some work, though, to catch up with the problems we've
> been having with Geeklog in the past. For example, words in curly
> brackets like {site_url} currently vanish from forum posts. Also, we may
> hit the problem with single quotes causing SQL errors on geeklog.net (I
> don't know if we do, but if we do, it renders the forum pretty much
> useless). This is already causing some gripes on geeklog.info ...
>
>
> >I gaurantee once we try to roll this
> >out we will have users posting things that belong in the forums to the
> >story submission queue.
>
> Yep. Over on the www.macosx-faq.de, people keep posting questions to the
> Geeklog site even though I added big fat "please post questions to the
> forums" hints all over the place. I think Rob has the same problem on
> www.macosxhints.com.
>
>
> >I have ideas on how to do this that require
> >little change to the core GL stuff...
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to write a plugin that posts story submissions
> to the forums. I did something similar for the YaBB forum that I run
> alongside the MacOS X FAQ (the main problem there is that you have two
> separate user bases - that should be much easier with Geeklog's
> integrated forum).
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> --
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://mypod.de/
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dirk at haun-online.de  Sat Feb 22 11:46:57 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:46:57 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <002701c2da8e$72e7a4b0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <002701c2da8e$72e7a4b0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030222164658.3564@smtp.haun-online.de>

Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>In all cases I can post single quotes, double quotes {curley brackets} or
>another character.
[...]
>Tested results:
>http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=454

Try {site_url} - that's what's missing after the "So how does it handle
template variables?" in my second post on that thread.


>Additionally, it's easy to use .htaccess to change the local value of
>magic_quotes_gpc or other php setting.

Hmm, then why does using single quotes within Geeklog work fine for me on
geeklog.info but it causes SQL errors in the forum? You must be doing
something differently from Geeklog (not that Geeklog's handling of
magic_quotes is something that should be considered a good example - it's
actually a mixture of guesswork and good luck ...).

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.haun.info/



From slord at marelina.com  Sat Feb 22 11:49:58 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:49:58 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <AD3BA10A-4685-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

I think the wife wants me to do some paint stripping today seeing as  
how my contract is over and I have recovered from the flu.  So if there  
is anything I can do just let me know and I'll get to it.  I'll be  
working on the forums again soon enough anyhow, I have some template  
changes to continue, issues to resolve etc.

On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 09:22 AM, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> I too am in agreement.  I have no problem employing the forum plugin  
> here.  I'd go a step further that if we are going to do 'marketing' in  
> the content of the articles then we need to draw up a new theme that  
> has more market qualities.  So if I hear this right here is what needs  
> to be  done:
>
> 1) Install forum
> 2) Post new article about shift in focus for articles and announce the  
> forums
> 3) Develop a new theme
>
> Of course, this is all find and dandy, question is who will work on  
> each task ;-)
>
> Blaine if we do do this, we will definitely want a hack that can  
> convert a story submission to a forum post. I gaurantee once we try to  
> roll this out we will have users posting things that belong in the  
> forums to the story submission queue.  I have ideas on how to do this  
> that require little change to the core GL stuff...
>
> So, any volunteers?  I nominate Knuckles for the theme ;-)
>
> I can install the forum plugin.   and post the article
>
> Blaine can you write the converter?
>
> Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have  
> been quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?
>
> --Tony
>
> Blaine Lang wrote:
>> Totally agree!
>> Do we have a forum that we can use?
>> How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well  
>> that is
>> integrated into the GL search?
>> I am just putting the finishing touches on this one - see my site
>> (www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.
>> I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to  
>> convert all
>> the existing stories to forum topics.
>> I could write such a tool - but do we really need to wait.
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
>> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
>>> I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
>>>
>>> I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka  
>>> geeklog.sourceforge.net)
>>> was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A forum would be better  
>>> for
>>> that.
>>>
>>> To say again in PHP terms "+1"
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Lord said:
>>>
>>>> Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Greeting, GL Dev Team...
>>>>>
>>>>> Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but  
>>>>> I
>>>>> couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe  
>>>>> I've
>>>>> identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
>>>>> www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
>>>>> casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
>>>>> Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
>>>>> install problems, basic questions, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict  
>>>>> it
>>>>> to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
>>>>> members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
>>>>> the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
>>>>> served in that environment, would they not?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
>>>>> people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes  
>>>>> hard to
>>>>> start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get the
>>>>> most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be  
>>>>> publicizing
>>>>> what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what troubles people  
>>>>> are
>>>>> having with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
>>>>> phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia  
>>>>> (thanks
>>>>> to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort  
>>>>> of
>>>>> troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had  
>>>>> some
>>>>> random support questions and postnuke had a section called  
>>>>> "Support").
>>>>>
>>>>> The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
>>>>> announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage  
>>>>> that
>>>>> I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on the
>>>>> homepage...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
>>>>> homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it  
>>>>> is,
>>>>> how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," a  
>>>>> link
>>>>> for the support forum, a link to a sample site (opensourcecms.org),
>>>>> etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than the current  
>>>>> collection
>>>>> of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> <asbestos>
>>>>>  Flame away....
>>>>> </asbestos>
>>>>>
>>>>> -rob.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Whittenburg, Sr
>>> Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
>>> AIM: jwhitten00
>>> ICQ: 9012034
>>> MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
> --  
> +------------------- 
> +--------------------------------------------------+
> |Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal    
> |
> |tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one  
> |
> |                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your        
> |
> |                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                   
> |
> +------------------- 
> +--------------------------------------------------+
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Sat Feb 22 13:04:51 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:04:51 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
References: <002701c2da8e$72e7a4b0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030222164658.3564@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <000901c2da9c$e53e3d90$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de> wrote:
> Try {site_url} - that's what's missing after the "So how does it handle
> template variables?" in my second post on that thread.

Yeh - I can get that to disappear. But if you add a space as in { site_url }
that works ok.
Not a fix but a work around. Now it's not a bug but an enhancement request
;)

Blaine



From dwight at trumbower.com  Sun Feb 23 23:05:48 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:05:48 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] vbulletin conversion to new forum
Message-ID: <001701c2dbba$06d30d50$0dd2e6cf@kidstar>

This is the script I used to convert vbulletin forum to the new 2.0 version. 

The orignal site: www.goldenbook.com
Temp new site. www.trumbower.com/golden  It is not IE friendly,must have a tag missing.



VBulletin conversion

-- execute the following statement and replace the number 4 with this new amount.

select max(uid) from gl_users;

INSERT INTO gl_users (uid,username,passwd,email,regdate,homepage,sig)             
SELECT  u.userid+4, u.username,u.password,u.email,u.joindate,u.homepage, u.signature
from user u;


INSERT INTO gl_userprefs(uid)
SELECT  u.userid +4
from user u;

INSERT INTO gl_userindex(uid,etids)
SELECT  u.userid + 4, '-'
from user u;

INSERT INTO gl_usercomment(uid)
SELECT  u.userid+4
from user u;

INSERT INTO gl_userinfo(uid)
SELECT  u.userid+4
from user u;

INSERT INTO gl_group_assignments (ug_main_grp_id, ug_uid) 
SELECT 13,  userid + 4
from user
where userid <> 1;

INSERT INTO gl_group_assignments (ug_main_grp_id, ug_uid) 
SELECT 2,  userid + 4
from user
where userid <> 1;

--use if you use categories in vb
INSERT INTO gl_forum_categories(id, cat_name, cat_dscp,cat_order)
SELECT forumid, title, description, displayorder)
FROM forum 
WHERE parentid = -1

-- use if there are no categories in vb
INSERT INTO gl_forum_categories(id, cat_name, cat_dscp,cat_order)
VALUES( 1, 'Forum', '', 0);

-- forums
INSERT INTO gl_forum_forums(forum_id, forum_name, forum_dscp, forum_order,grp_id, forum_cat)
SELECT forumid, title, description, displayorder, 2, CASE parentid WHEN -1 THEN 1 ELSE parentid END
FROM forum;
delete from gl_forum_topic;
drop table tmp;

-- topics
create table tmp
select min(p.postid) as postid , p.threadid as threadid
from post p, thread t
where p.threadid= t.threadid
group by p.threadid;

--header topic
INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic(id, pid, uid,name,date,subject,comment,topicimg, ip, sticky, forum, replies, views, mood)
SELECT DISTINCT p.postid, 0, p.userid + 4, p.username, p.dateline,t.title, p.pagetext, p.iconid, p.ipaddress, t.sticky, t.forumid,t.replycount,t.views,'no mood'
FROM post p, thread t, tmp t2
where p.threadid = t.threadid
and t2.threadid = t.threadid
and t2.postid = p.postid;

--children topics
INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic(id, pid, uid,name,date,subject,comment,topicimg, ip, sticky, forum, mood)
SELECT DISTINCT p.postid, t2.postid, p.userid + 4, p.username, p.dateline,p.title, p.pagetext, p.iconid, p.ipaddress, t.sticky, t.forumid, 'no mood'
FROM post p, thread t, tmp t2
where p.threadid = t.threadid
and t2.threadid = t.threadid
and t2.postid <> p.postid;

drop table tmp;


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From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 24 09:46:27 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:46:27 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
Message-ID: <20030224144627.M26209@pigstye.net>

Tony,

I see that the centralization issue has been brought up again.  Let me state 
from the at the beginning, that I am willing to facilitate this, but there 
are two big issues (actually only one) that need to be addressed.  The issue 
is CONTROL.  As I stated earlier, control is a two edged sword.  When you 
bring things in house, you give your implicit stamp of approval and the 
problems that come with that.

One technical issue is that with the current file management plugin, it is 
hard to replace files (Yes I understand that Blaine is working on this).  I 
think that this needs to be in place for consolidation to work.  And I have 
quit uploading things to geeklog.net because of this problem and have not 
installed the file management plugin on gplugs because of this.

A second problem is that currently there is no central place that one can go 
to find out all the latest announcements/discussions/issues about a 
particular package.  And by this I do not mean a central site.  I mean that 
on an individual site, you might find this information in stories or the 
comments on stories or comments on the file management plugin or if the 
forum plugin is installed it could be in the discussion on the forum.  Good 
organization of the site can help here, but not always alleviate the 
problem.  (e.g. The reorganization of the geeklog site under way -- by the 
way that would be the logical time to do this).

A third issue is that when centralizing GPlugs into geeklog.net, I would not 
want to loose all the historical data, stories/comments/forum that has been 
accumulated.  How could we integrate the two?

CONTROL ISSUES:

A fourth issue is cvs access -- Tony can you partition out the geeklog cvs 
and give individual developers control over their own cvs?  That would be 
great if you could.

A fifth is control over downloads caused by issue one.

A sixth issue is control over discussion.  The forum plugin has the facility 
for other moderators -- I would say to give the individual developers 
control over their part of the forum.  e.g. Create a separate forum for each 
developer or ideally for each package.

A seventh issue is administrative.  There needs to be an easy defined way to 
add a new package which would include cvs access, creation of forum, and 
file download access.

CONTROL AGAIN:

I understand Tony's desire to have everything under a central control --  
>From a user perspective, it would make things easier.  From a developer 
perspective it would be nice to only have to go to one place to answer 
questions about my packages.  

Test bed -- It would be important to have a testbed site the developers 
could install their packages on for demo purposes.  It could be a separate 
sub-site, but complete developer access to this site would be essential, so 
that they could install and tweak their packages.   

Ego - We all do not have egos do we?  I do not think you will get a lot of 
developer participation if you do not give the developers enough control to 
feel that www.geeklog.net is partially theirs.  Perhaps start a developer 
program and list their names, require a certain standard of coding, but give 
recognition back.  Heck give the current developers recognition -- I could 
not tell you who is in and who is out.  Are there three or four different 
classes of developers?  Core, contributors, addon developers, casual hackers?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Whatever -- I have spouted off too much again.  My offer from before still 
stands -- I will bring all my stuff over and I will encourage the other 
gplugs developers to bring their stuff.  It is up to you if you want the 
additional hassle.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From slord at marelina.com  Mon Feb 24 10:09:26 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:09:26 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030224144627.M26209@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <F7166FB8-4809-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

> One technical issue is that with the current file management plugin, 
> it is
> hard to replace files (Yes I understand that Blaine is working on 
> this).  I
> think that this needs to be in place for consolidation to work.  And I 
> have
> quit uploading things to geeklog.net because of this problem and have 
> not
> installed the file management plugin on gplugs because of this.

It would be nice to get an email notification from the File Manager 
when a file you downloaded gets updated.  You'd have to subscribe to 
the item of course.

> A second problem is that currently there is no central place that one 
> can go
> to find out all the latest announcements/discussions/issues about a
> particular package.  And by this I do not mean a central site.  I mean 
> that
> on an individual site, you might find this information in stories or 
> the
> comments on stories or comments on the file management plugin or if the
> forum plugin is installed it could be in the discussion on the forum.  
> Good
> organization of the site can help here, but not always alleviate the
> problem.  (e.g. The reorganization of the geeklog site under way -- by 
> the
> way that would be the logical time to do this).

So a module that polls the plugin site for updates and presents it in a 
block?  Great idea Tom!  When's it gonna be ready?  ;)

> A third issue is that when centralizing GPlugs into geeklog.net, I 
> would not
> want to loose all the historical data, stories/comments/forum that has 
> been
> accumulated.  How could we integrate the two?

A new FAQ module is being developed by Blaine, we could conceivably 
create a topic under the FAQ manager and store them there where they 
will be searchable. (Just a thought)

> Test bed -- It would be important to have a testbed site the developers
> could install their packages on for demo purposes.  It could be a 
> separate
> sub-site, but complete developer access to this site would be 
> essential, so
> that they could install and tweak their packages.

We have access to geeklog.ca (registered by me for safe-keeping), I can 
easily create accounts for developers and grant them rights on the DB 
via the command line or phpmyadmin.  There is no DB creation rights, so 
if each dev wants their own DB it has to be made by me, ideally the 
devs would all use the same DB seeing as it is a *test* bed and 
incompatibilities with other developers is *desirable* in my mind to 
find bugs.  We can also use it to store downloads linked in some 
fashion to <wherever>, someone just needs to present a easy to use 
interface to manage the files there.  As always, my fear is some nitwit 
deletes everything because <we suck>.

Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 24 10:29:59 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:29:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030224144627.M26209@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Ok, I read Tom's message and I want to make something a bit more clear.

The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can go 
to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked to 
better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).

Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more (i.e. 
give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing to 
hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or developers 
can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
*find* this information.

I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a great 
idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.

Does that draw the distinction a bit better?

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From slord at marelina.com  Mon Feb 24 10:32:19 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:32:19 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] theregister.co.uk
Message-ID: <29002D4A-480D-11D7-8148-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

They are looking for a new CMS system.  They don't expressly call for 
requests, but maybe someone with linguistic skills can ring them up and 
pitch Geeklog.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/29450.html

Sincerely,
Simon



From danny at squatty.com  Mon Feb 24 10:41:02 2003
From: danny at squatty.com (Danny Ledger)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:41:02 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty>

>>The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you
can go 
>>to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is
what 
>>really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being
tweaked to 
>>better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).

Not to confuse the topic any more but...isn't the "real" issue a lack of
consistency in the files (versions) of code being distributed and
downloaded?  The source of the download itself is not the problem?  Or
is it?

Point being, sites like mine (squatty.com) have been doing the tedious
job of searching for the latest releases (from the source) and then
either downloading or linking to them.  For example, for Gplugs code, my
downloads link directly to the release in the Gplugs project.

Are you saying you want one and only one distributor?  Or is a "mirror"
exactable too? 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:30 AM
To: Geeklog Core List
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net

Ok, I read Tom's message and I want to make something a bit more clear.

The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can
go 
to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked
to 
better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).

Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more
(i.e. 
give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing
to 
hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or
developers 
can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
*find* this information.

I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a
great 
idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.

Does that draw the distinction a bit better?

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


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http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel




From dirk at haun-online.de  Mon Feb 24 11:05:10 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:05:10 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030224160510.15671@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a great 
>idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.

Hmm, so what would be left on gplugs.sf.net if all support is moved to
forums (on geeklog.net)? The most logical place for announcement of new
plugins would then be - geeklog.net, wouldn't it?


Re: CVS - we still have too many of those as well. There's the one on
gplugs.sf.net, the one on cvs.geeklog.net, and the old
geeklogplugins.sf.net one exists as well (containing, for example, the
forum plugin as well as some of mine). And I noticed that you, Tony,
added the fortune plugin to cvs.geeklog.net.

Take me as an example. I have some plugins and themes that could all
benefit from being kept in CVS. So where should I go with them? I've been
using geeklogplugins.sf.net so far, but I don't have release manager
status there. Or should I apply for a membership in the gplugs
collective? Or maybe we want to keep it all in one central place, i.e.
cvs.geeklog.net?

bye, Dirk (just thinking out loud - not drawing any conclusions yet)


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://geeklog.info/



From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 24 11:21:56 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:21:56 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty>
Message-ID: <20030224162156.M54808@pigstye.net>

Danny,

I would vote for keeping Squatty just like it is -- an independent voice it 
always needed.

TomW
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:41:02 -0800, Danny Ledger wrote
> >>The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you
> can go 
> >>to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is
> what 
> >>really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being
> tweaked to 
> >>better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).
> 
> Not to confuse the topic any more but...isn't the "real" issue a lack of
> consistency in the files (versions) of code being distributed and
> downloaded?  The source of the download itself is not the problem?  Or
> is it?
> 
> Point being, sites like mine (squatty.com) have been doing the tedious
> job of searching for the latest releases (from the source) and then
> either downloading or linking to them.  For example, for Gplugs code, my
> downloads link directly to the release in the Gplugs project.
> 
> Are you saying you want one and only one distributor?  Or is a "mirror"
> exactable too? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: Geeklog Core List
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
> 
> Ok, I read Tom's message and I want to make something a bit more clear.
> 
> The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can
> go 
> to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
> really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked
> to 
> better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).
> 
> Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
> can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more
> (i.e. 
> give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
> where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing
> to 
> hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
> That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or
> developers 
> can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
> *find* this information.
> 
> I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a
> great 
> idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.
> 
> Does that draw the distinction a bit better?
> 
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
>                     --Unknown
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
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From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 24 11:24:12 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:24:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030224160510.15671@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241021350.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Dirk Haun wrote:
> Hmm, so what would be left on gplugs.sf.net if all support is moved to
> forums (on geeklog.net)? The most logical place for announcement of new
> plugins would then be - geeklog.net, wouldn't it?

What would be left on gplugs?  I was thinking CVS and a test bed for 
plugins (i.e. demo.geeklog.net)

> 
> 
> Re: CVS - we still have too many of those as well. There's the one on
> gplugs.sf.net, the one on cvs.geeklog.net, and the old
> geeklogplugins.sf.net one exists as well (containing, for example, the
> forum plugin as well as some of mine). And I noticed that you, Tony,
> added the fortune plugin to cvs.geeklog.net.

Again, I put the fortune stuff there for now.  If we all decide gplugs is 
where we want to keep it then I am all for that.  I just want to make sure 
we agree and start moving toward that goal and make sure the end result is 
all things are well integrated into gl.net.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 24 11:26:05 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:26:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241024351.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

> Not to confuse the topic any more but...isn't the "real" issue a lack of
> consistency in the files (versions) of code being distributed and
> downloaded?  The source of the download itself is not the problem?  Or
> is it?
> 
> Point being, sites like mine (squatty.com) have been doing the tedious
> job of searching for the latest releases (from the source) and then
> either downloading or linking to them.  For example, for Gplugs code, my
> downloads link directly to the release in the Gplugs project.
> 
> Are you saying you want one and only one distributor?  Or is a "mirror"
> exactable too? 

No mirrors would be fine.  I just don't want users confused as to when to 
go to gl.net, when to go to squatty.com, when to go to gplugs to get GL 
software.

Tom's points on a independent voice is right on.

--Tony



From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 24 11:45:09 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:45:09 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <20030224144627.M26209@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302240924270.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030224164509.M53471@pigstye.net>

> 
> The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can go 
> to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
> really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked to 
> better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).
> 

> Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
> can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more (i.e. 
> give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
> where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing to 
> hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
> That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or developers 
> can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
> *find* this information.
> 
But just changing the domain name from gplugs.sf.net to plugins.geeklog.net 
would not accomplish having only one place to find information. Now if we 
could run both sites off the same database and do searches on the combined 
data, that would be better, but that would require some custom hacking and 
testing etc.  I am not really up to that right now.

And Dirk is right -- this does little to unify cvs and downloads.  (And Dirk 
if you want access to cvs and downloads at gplugs, just say so and I will 
add you with full privileages, same goes for any geeklog developer).  Its a 
big thorny issue, filled with the land mines of peoples egos.  I think that 
all developers would welcome a central location and tools.

> I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a great 
> idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.
> 
> Does that draw the distinction a bit better?
> 

A little, but even more it serves to make the issues a little clearer.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Mon Feb 24 12:19:38 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:19:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030224164509.M53471@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
> But just changing the domain name from gplugs.sf.net to plugins.geeklog.net 
> would not accomplish having only one place to find information. Now if we 
> could run both sites off the same database and do searches on the combined 
> data, that would be better, but that would require some custom hacking and 
> testing etc.  I am not really up to that right now.

Ok, then let me ask this.  What is the smallest amount of work we can do 
now with the most gain then?  

> 
> And Dirk is right -- this does little to unify cvs and downloads.  (And Dirk 
> if you want access to cvs and downloads at gplugs, just say so and I will 
> add you with full privileages, same goes for any geeklog developer).  Its a 
> big thorny issue, filled with the land mines of peoples egos.  I think that 
> all developers would welcome a central location and tools.

Is unifying CVS a real need?  Again, I think maybe in our ideal state we 
would but I refer back to my initial question: "What is the smallest 
amount of work we can do now with the most gain?"

In the end, as long as are moving towards the end-state of fully 
centralized site, I'll be happy.  We can take how ever many baby steps to 
get there we need to, I just wan to try flushing out what those steps are.

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From dirk at haun-online.de  Mon Feb 24 12:49:32 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:49:32 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References:  <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030224174932.29136@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tony Bibbs <tony at tonybibbs.com> wrote:

>Is unifying CVS a real need?

Dunno. Maybe two (one for core GL code and one for plugins etc.) would be
okay. Three are too many, though ...


>"What is the smallest amount of work we can do now with the most gain?"

Put new releases of stuff that's currently hosted on
geeklogplugins.sf.net on gplugs.sf.net then close down geeklogplugins
once the current stuff has been moved.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From tomw at pigstye.net  Mon Feb 24 13:23:29 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:23:29 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
References: <20030224164509.M53471@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <20030224182329.M80830@pigstye.net>

> Ok, then let me ask this.  What is the smallest amount of work we can do 
> now with the most gain then?  

How about this for a plan?  In order of difficulty, from least to more.

All of this would be contigent on getting the OK from the rest of the gplugs 
developers -- I basically run the site but it is a group site and I would 
not make such changes by fiat.

1) Since Forum 2 came out I moved all discussion on gplugs to the forum 
(many times forcefully -- get ready for this struggle on the main site when 
you make this change).  When you are ready to open up the forum on the main 
geeklog site, get a dump of the gplugs forum database and use it to seed the 
main geeklog forum.  Then I will direct all discussion there.  The only 
problem I see with this is getting the latest forum posts back to display on 
gplugs.  Maybe we could set up an rdf feed for that -- I will look into 
that, should be easy to create a plugin to do that.

2) Change gplugs.sf.net to plugins.geeklog.net (Would this be moving the 
site or just a dns change?)  Either way, not a big deal.

3) Consolidate 3rd party cvs on gplugs.sf.net and give all developers access 
to this (or another sf.net site, I don't care).  All we have to do is ask 
and they will transfer cvs trees for us -- they have been quick when I 
asked.  [Tony I know you have complained about not being able to delete 
admins on sf.net, but I have been able to make people admins and then revoke 
the admin privileges again.  When they are no longer admins you can delete 
them.]  I have no problem with granting access and revoking it again if 
someone misbehaves or becomes inactive.

4) Somehow consolidating the downloads. (an ultimate goal)  With the 
filemanagement plugin now you can pull the download from a remote site.  
Perhaps we could use that to centralize downloads.  Squatty uses sf.nets 
download servers this way now.  We could give the developers control over 
their file releases on sf.net and that would alleviate the problem of out of 
sync file releases.  The developer would then have one place to go to update 
the release archive.

5) Figure out what to do with the existing content on gplugs so that it is 
not lost and then demote gplugs to a demo site.


If this plan is ok then I will take a poll of the other gplugs developers to 
see if they will go along and what if any concerns they might have.  I do 
not know which ones are here, beside Squatty and were in on the prior 
discussions.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From langmail at sympatico.ca  Mon Feb 24 13:42:40 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:42:40 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
References: <20030224164509.M53471@pigstye.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241114360.17886-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org> <20030224182329.M80830@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <008901c2dc34$82760d20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Just got in and reading the thread and wanted to add a few notes:

1) I've added edit functionality to the FileMgmt plugin and forwarded Dirk a
copy for testing on Sat (his Sunday)
    Admin's can now upload new file versions and change/delete the snapshot
images

2) I also have notification support on my need-to-have features and have
already hacked this in for a client

3) You can reference a remote file today - I've documented this on my site
and on geeklog.net
    I will make this easier via a direct feature to use a URL vs a local
file

4) I've also added a feature to the forum for a client project that allows a
forum to use the submission queue for all new topics and replies
    May be a option that we can use - wanted to atleast let it be known.

    A big side benefit of the using the forum for geeklog.net will the the
dramatic reduction on moderation admin

Are we talking about moving gplugs off of sourceforge?
We moved geeklog.net off sourceforge for a reason and I've noticed the
performance of gplugs has been quite slow these past couple weeks.

Blaine








From danny at squatty.com  Mon Feb 24 22:12:36 2003
From: danny at squatty.com (Danny Ledger)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:12:36 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty>
Message-ID: <000001c2dc7b$c2830610$1202a8c0@fatty>

Tom,

I think you know my thoughts on the subject.  I'm all for it!  I've been
complaining about a lack of a centralized for quite sometime.

Two off topic notes:
1)  I recently updated the Geeklog/Gallery release per a note I received
from John Hughes...see package release notes for additional details.  I
opted to not create a new release version. Perhaps I shoud? 

2)  Tom, I'd liked to get you thoughts on the nature of my site.
Perhaps you can shoot me a note.  I'd like your input as to how the
Gplugs/GL consolidation impacts me...what do you think I should do with
my downloads for example?

Thanks,
Danny

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Danny Ledger
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:41 AM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net

>>The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you
can go 
>>to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is
what 
>>really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being
tweaked to 
>>better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).

Not to confuse the topic any more but...isn't the "real" issue a lack of
consistency in the files (versions) of code being distributed and
downloaded?  The source of the download itself is not the problem?  Or
is it?

Point being, sites like mine (squatty.com) have been doing the tedious
job of searching for the latest releases (from the source) and then
either downloading or linking to them.  For example, for Gplugs code, my
downloads link directly to the release in the Gplugs project.

Are you saying you want one and only one distributor?  Or is a "mirror"
exactable too? 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:30 AM
To: Geeklog Core List
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net

Ok, I read Tom's message and I want to make something a bit more clear.

The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can
go 
to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked
to 
better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).

Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more
(i.e. 
give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing
to 
hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or
developers 
can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
*find* this information.

I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a
great 
idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.

Does that draw the distinction a bit better?

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


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From tomw at pigstye.net  Tue Feb 25 07:51:13 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:51:13 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <000001c2dc7b$c2830610$1202a8c0@fatty>
References: <000201c2dc1b$260cb570$1202a8c0@fatty> <000001c2dc7b$c2830610$1202a8c0@fatty>
Message-ID: <20030225125113.M30145@pigstye.net>

Danny,

1)  I would refresh the release for the geeklog/gallery integration, there 
is a lot of interest in that package.

2)  I think your site should remain as it is.  Some people feel more 
comfortable asking for help there than on the main site.  They probably feel 
intimidated on the main site.  Your downloads are the best.  I have given up 
uploading anything to the main site because they get out of date and no one 
seems to work to keep them up to date.  I have sent in updates more than 
once and had both the old and the new version available for download.  This 
just creates confusion.  I appreciate the work you put into your downloads.  
Besides I would not release some of my hacks on the main site -- do not want 
to give validation to them.

Tom
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:12:36 -0800, Danny Ledger wrote
> Tom,
> 
> I think you know my thoughts on the subject.  I'm all for it!  I've been
> complaining about a lack of a centralized for quite sometime.
> 
> Two off topic notes:
> 1)  I recently updated the Geeklog/Gallery release per a note I received
> from John Hughes...see package release notes for additional details.  I
> opted to not create a new release version. Perhaps I shoud? 
> 
> 2)  Tom, I'd liked to get you thoughts on the nature of my site.
> Perhaps you can shoot me a note.  I'd like your input as to how the
> Gplugs/GL consolidation impacts me...what do you think I should do with
> my downloads for example?
> 
> Thanks,
> Danny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Danny Ledger
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:41 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
> 
> >>The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you
> can go 
> >>to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is
> what 
> >>really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being
> tweaked to 
> >>better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).
> 
> Not to confuse the topic any more but...isn't the "real" issue a lack of
> consistency in the files (versions) of code being distributed and
> downloaded?  The source of the download itself is not the problem?  Or
> is it?
> 
> Point being, sites like mine (squatty.com) have been doing the tedious
> job of searching for the latest releases (from the source) and then
> either downloading or linking to them.  For example, for Gplugs code, my
> downloads link directly to the release in the Gplugs project.
> 
> Are you saying you want one and only one distributor?  Or is a "mirror"
> exactable too? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: Geeklog Core List
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Consolidation of GPlugs and Geeklog.net
> 
> Ok, I read Tom's message and I want to make something a bit more clear.
> 
> The big problem I see with gl.net now is there are a few places you can
> go 
> to get themes, plugins and other hacks other than gl.net.  That is what 
> really needs to stop.  As noted, Blaine's file manager is being tweaked
> to 
> better meet some of our needs (thanks Blaine).
> 
> Access to CVS, having a test bed is great but I still think that gplugs 
> can do that.  However, I'd like to integrate gplugs and gl.net more
> (i.e. 
> give gplugs the plugins.geeklog.net domain and link to it from gl.net 
> where appropriate).  In fact, if it isn't in the works, I'd be willing
> to 
> hack the file manager to include links to a file home page and to CVS.  
> That way individual files are free to use the gplugs service or
> developers 
> can use their own site.  The real benefit users would go once place to 
> *find* this information.
> 
> I think adding support forums on gl.net for each 3rd party hack is a
> great 
> idea and I would have no problem with making the author the moderator.
> 
> Does that draw the distinction a bit better?
> 
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
>                     --Unknown
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tomw at pigstye.net  Tue Feb 25 08:24:32 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:24:32 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
Message-ID: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>

So what is going to happen here?  I offered my proposal and silence -- 
counter-proposal?  Everyone seems to be waiting for someone else to respond, 
does the idea die?  If you are waiting for volunteers, I will do what is 
needed on my end.  I already looked at using an rdf feed for the forum and 
that should not take over 30 minutes to hack together.

Pushy ain't I?

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From slord at marelina.com  Tue Feb 25 09:45:44 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:45:44 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] cat Mailing list > forums
Message-ID: <D175BB51-48CF-11D7-BA8B-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

I've been recently scouting around for Macromedia Director resources 
because I need to learn this tool from the ground up.  I found a VERY 
hard to find forums for this product *on* the macromedia site itself 
(through a third-party link).

The interesting thing about these forums as I go through them is that 
they appear to be a typical mailing list that somehow gets processed 
and partially filtered (locator information in the head of the email is 
stripped) but they are otherwise intact.  All emails with the same 
topic go into a forum sub-category and so on, it's quite clever.

Would it be possible to do the same with this list?

http://webforums.macromedia.com/director/categories.cfm?catid=187

Sincerely,
Simon



From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Tue Feb 25 10:47:29 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:47:29 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04DB@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

Last comment (but no promise).  I really like the home page for
squirrelmail (http://www.squirrelmail.org).  It's to the point, short,
good links, and lists real news and plug-in announcements.  I'd be very
happy to see that as the GL homepage!  Would I use GeekLog for the
GeekLog home page?  I don't know that we have to.  Most commercial
weblogs don't power their own home pages (the right tool for the right
job) but that's up to Tony and the guys working on the server.  We'd
also only need a GeekLog demo site if we wanted to demo admin stuff (and
I don't think we even need to do that).  Links to squatty, macosxhints,
etc... do a much better job of showing GL in action.

I also agree with using a forum for support.  I hate mailing lists, the
treads always get screwed up, etc.. (see PHP's list for an example).  

I'm sure I stirred up some emotion, I'll put on my asbestos underwear.

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:22 AM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user


I too am in agreement.  I have no problem employing the forum plugin 
here.  I'd go a step further that if we are going to do 'marketing' in 
the content of the articles then we need to draw up a new theme that has

more market qualities.  So if I hear this right here is what needs to be

  done:

1) Install forum
2) Post new article about shift in focus for articles and announce the 
forums
3) Develop a new theme

Of course, this is all find and dandy, question is who will work on each

task ;-)

Blaine if we do do this, we will definitely want a hack that can convert

a story submission to a forum post. I gaurantee once we try to roll this

out we will have users posting things that belong in the forums to the 
story submission queue.  I have ideas on how to do this that require 
little change to the core GL stuff...

So, any volunteers?  I nominate Knuckles for the theme ;-)

I can install the forum plugin.   and post the article

Blaine can you write the converter?

Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have been 
quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?

--Tony

Blaine Lang wrote:
> Totally agree!
> 
> Do we have a forum that we can use?
> 
> How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well 
> that is integrated into the GL search? I am just putting the finishing

> touches on this one - see my site
> (www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.
> 
> I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to 
> convert all the existing stories to forum topics. I could write such a

> tool - but do we really need to wait.
> 
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
> 
> 
> 
>>I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
>>
>>I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka 
>>geeklog.sourceforge.net) was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A

>>forum would be better for that.
>>
>>To say again in PHP terms "+1"
>>
>>-Jason
>>
>>
>>Simon Lord said:
>>
>>>Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
>>>
>>>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Greeting, GL Dev Team...
>>>>
>>>>Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I

>>>>couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe 
>>>>I've  identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think 
>>>>www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any 
>>>>casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog. 
>>>>Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches, 
>>>>install problems, basic questions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it

>>>>to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team 
>>>>members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With 
>>>>the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better 
>>>>served in that environment, would they not?
>>>>
>>>>It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to 
>>>>people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard 
>>>>to  start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get 
>>>>the most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be 
>>>>publicizing what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what 
>>>>troubles people are having with it?
>>>>
>>>>I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash, 
>>>>phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks

>>>>to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort 
>>>>of troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had 
>>>>some random support questions and postnuke had a section called 
>>>>"Support").
>>>>
>>>> The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather, 
>>>>announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage 
>>>>that I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on 
>>>>the homepage...
>>>>
>>>>Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage" 
>>>>homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it 
>>>>is, how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings," 
>>>>a link  for the support forum, a link to a sample site 
>>>>(opensourcecms.org), etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than

>>>>the current collection  of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug 
>>>>reports.
>>>>
>>>><asbestos>
>>>>  Flame away....
>>>></asbestos>
>>>>
>>>>-rob.
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>Simon
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jason Whittenburg, Sr
>>Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
>>AIM: jwhitten00
>>ICQ: 9012034
>>MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> 
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From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Feb 25 11:30:42 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:30:42 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
In-Reply-To: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04DB@atlmaiexcp02.iss.lo
 cal>
References: <3E578794.40304@tonybibbs.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225100651.00b62470@localhost>

As and outsider to geeklog, here are a few comments.

I would still use geeklog for the site but make it cleaner and simpler 
looking. I personally don't like cluttered sites. I don't think you need to 
show all features on your site and certainly not on the homepage. 
phpnuke.org is a good example of what NOT to do.
Once the majority of the stories get moved to a forum, the clutter will 
lessen and real news should be the focus.

A demo can be helpful for to showcase new versions and the new 
functionality. It can also force people to think this is the only way a 
site can look and that is not good. Having a gallery of sites could be more 
beneficial as Jason has stated.

It looks like the biggest selling feature to geeklog is the ease of use and 
with not a lot of bloat. For admins, this is important. It saves times and 
bandwidth and could be marketed a bit better.

If you need a volunteer, the hand is raised.

Dwight

At 10:47 AM 2/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Last comment (but no promise).  I really like the home page for
>squirrelmail (http://www.squirrelmail.org).  It's to the point, short,
>good links, and lists real news and plug-in announcements.  I'd be very
>happy to see that as the GL homepage!  Would I use GeekLog for the
>GeekLog home page?  I don't know that we have to.  Most commercial
>weblogs don't power their own home pages (the right tool for the right
>job) but that's up to Tony and the guys working on the server.  We'd
>also only need a GeekLog demo site if we wanted to demo admin stuff (and
>I don't think we even need to do that).  Links to squatty, macosxhints,
>etc... do a much better job of showing GL in action.
>
>I also agree with using a forum for support.  I hate mailing lists, the
>treads always get screwed up, etc.. (see PHP's list for an example).
>
>I'm sure I stirred up some emotion, I'll put on my asbestos underwear.
>
>-----
>Jason Whittenburg
>Internet Security Systems, Inc.
>404.236.4043
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
>[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
>Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:22 AM
>To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
>
>
>I too am in agreement.  I have no problem employing the forum plugin
>here.  I'd go a step further that if we are going to do 'marketing' in
>the content of the articles then we need to draw up a new theme that has
>
>more market qualities.  So if I hear this right here is what needs to be
>
>   done:
>
>1) Install forum
>2) Post new article about shift in focus for articles and announce the
>forums
>3) Develop a new theme
>
>Of course, this is all find and dandy, question is who will work on each
>
>task ;-)
>
>Blaine if we do do this, we will definitely want a hack that can convert
>
>a story submission to a forum post. I gaurantee once we try to roll this
>
>out we will have users posting things that belong in the forums to the
>story submission queue.  I have ideas on how to do this that require
>little change to the core GL stuff...
>
>So, any volunteers?  I nominate Knuckles for the theme ;-)
>
>I can install the forum plugin.   and post the article
>
>Blaine can you write the converter?
>
>Dirk,  either you don't have an opinion on this or you do and have been
>quiet.  Any thoughts before we get too far down the road?
>
>--Tony
>
>Blaine Lang wrote:
> > Totally agree!
> >
> > Do we have a forum that we can use?
> >
> > How about a FAQ Plugin to organize the most recent questions as well
> > that is integrated into the GL search? I am just putting the finishing
>
> > touches on this one - see my site
> > (www.langfamily.ca) for a demo. It's 99% done just testing now.
> >
> > I know one reason we were holding back was that we would need to
> > convert all the existing stories to forum topics. I could write such a
>
> > tool - but do we really need to wait.
> >
> > Blaine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Whittenburg" <me at jasonwhittenburg.com>
> > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] An observation as a semi-developer/user
> >
> >
> >
> >>I wouldn't kill him...  I do agree...
> >>
> >>I never liked the fact the the geeklog.net (aka
> >>geeklog.sourceforge.net) was posting peoples problems will Geeklog.  A
>
> >>forum would be better for that.
> >>
> >>To say again in PHP terms "+1"
> >>
> >>-Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>Simon Lord said:
> >>
> >>>Secret is out Tony, should we kill Rob?
> >>>
> >>>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Rob Griffiths wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Greeting, GL Dev Team...
> >>>>
> >>>>Something's been bugging me about www.geeklog.net for a while, but I
>
> >>>>couln't quite figure out what it was.  Tonight, though, I believe
> >>>>I've  identified what the source of my bother was:  I do not think
> >>>>www.geeklog.net is sending a good message about the program to any
> >>>>casual browsers of the site -- that is, potential users of Geeklog.
> >>>>Most days, 90% of the content of the site is about bugs, glitches,
> >>>>install problems, basic questions, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>I would think a better use for the main site would be to restrict it
>
> >>>>to news of Geeklog, new hacks, official bug fixes from the Dev Team
> >>>>members only, PR announcing sites that have been Geeked, etc.  With
> >>>>the Forum 2.0 plug-in available, support questions would be better
> >>>>served in that environment, would they not?
> >>>>
> >>>>It's almost like we've got this amazing car, but when we talk to
> >>>>people about it, all we tell them about is that it's sometimes hard
> >>>>to  start, it may break down if it's not treated right, and to get
> >>>>the most out of it, you really need to RTFM.  Shouldn't we be
> >>>>publicizing what Geeklog >can< do instead of focusing on what
> >>>>troubles people are having with it?
> >>>>
> >>>>I took a quick look at the home pages for phpnuke, mambo, phpslash,
> >>>>phpwebsite, webgenerator-x, drupal, e107, LDU, and ovidentia (thanks
>
> >>>>to opensourcecms.com :-).  Of those, only one or two have any sort
> >>>>of troubleshooting stuff on their homepages at all (phpwebsite had
> >>>>some random support questions and postnuke had a section called
> >>>>"Support").
> >>>>
> >>>> The main focus of the pages is not help or questions, but rather,
> >>>>announcements and information.  Geeklog is the only CMS homepage
> >>>>that I visited that seemed to emphasize bugs and help directly on
> >>>>the homepage...
> >>>>
> >>>>Not that anyone asked me, but ... ... I would think a "staticpage"
> >>>>homepage with a full center pane of info about Geeklog -- what it
> >>>>is, how it works, top 10 sites its installed on, newest "Geekings,"
> >>>>a link  for the support forum, a link to a sample site
> >>>>(opensourcecms.org), etc. would be a much better "selling" tool than
>
> >>>>the current collection  of help requests and "failed to RTFM" bug
> >>>>reports.
> >>>>
> >>>><asbestos>
> >>>>  Flame away....
> >>>></asbestos>
> >>>>
> >>>>-rob.
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Sincerely,
> >>>Simon
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jason Whittenburg, Sr
> >>Web: http://jasonwhittenburg.com
> >>AIM: jwhitten00
> >>ICQ: 9012034
> >>MSN: jason at whittenburgs.com
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>geeklog-devel mailing list
> >>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
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>|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
>|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
>|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  |
>
>
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From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Feb 25 11:36:59 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:36:59 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
References: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

>I offered my proposal and silence -- counter-proposal?

Not really a counter-proposal, but I just had a tough time answering a
post in the forum on geeklog.info where I ran into all sorts of problems
with just that one post:

1) The single quotes problem - I can't even post "$_CONF['limitnews']"
(or the word "can't", for that matter) without getting an SQL error.

2) Words in curly brackets disappear: "LIMIT {$_CONF['limitnews']},
{$_CONF['limitnews']}" becomes "LIMIT ,".

3) When I tried to work around the above by using [code], I found out
that the forum only recognizes the first [code] block and leaves the
second as it is.

This makes me wonder if the forum is really ready for prime-time yet.

Blaine, I certainly don't want to put down the work that you invested
into the forum. But these need to be fixed before we can use the forum on
geeklog.net since those are basic things we need in almost every post ...

bye, Dirk


-- 
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From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Feb 25 11:50:45 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:50:45 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
 <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225104647.00b628c0@localhost>

At 05:36 PM 2/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>1) The single quotes problem - I can't even post "$_CONF['limitnews']"
>(or the word "can't", for that matter) without getting an SQL error.

Worked for me 
http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=533


>2) Words in curly brackets disappear: "LIMIT {$_CONF['limitnews']},
>{$_CONF['limitnews']}" becomes "LIMIT ,".

Yep, didn't work.


>3) When I tried to work around the above by using [code], I found out
>that the forum only recognizes the first [code] block and leaves the
>second as it is.


Worked for me. Same link, third post.

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dirk at haun-online.de  Tue Feb 25 12:09:58 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:09:58 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225104647.00b628c0@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225104647.00b628c0@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030225170958.5542@smtp.haun-online.de>

Dwight Trumbower <dwight at trumbower.com> wrote:

>>1) The single quotes problem
>Worked for me 

Yeah, it only happens on some setups. Works fine on Blaine's site but not
on geeklog.info.



Two [code] blocks
>Worked for me. Same link, third post.

Okay, that does work properly when you actually submit your post. The
second [code] block isn't replaced in the preview, though. But that's
only a minor issue then.

bye, Dirk


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From dwight at trumbower.com  Tue Feb 25 12:13:16 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:13:16 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030225170958.5542@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225104647.00b628c0@localhost>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030225104647.00b628c0@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030225111218.00b4ed28@localhost>

At 06:09 PM 2/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Dwight Trumbower <dwight at trumbower.com> wrote:
>
> >>1) The single quotes problem
> >Worked for me
>
>Yeah, it only happens on some setups. Works fine on Blaine's site but not
>on geeklog.info.

The problem is on my test site and it only fails when the apostrophe is in 
a code bracket.


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Dwight
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From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 08:10:09 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:10:09 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net
References: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net> <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

> 1) The single quotes problem - I can't even post "$_CONF['limitnews']" (or
the word "can't", for that matter) without getting an SQL error.

I can not duplicate this on my site. The quote issue appears to be related
to some sites (few) that have magic_quotes_gpc on and it not doing its magic
and automatically escaping all quotes as this PHP feature is supposed to do.
In my code, I check the site setting - if enabled then I don't use
addslashes as that would be redundant.  But this is not always the case - I
can not duplicate it on several sites that I have access to including PHP4.3
and 4.1.1 (apache and IIS)sites.

> 2) Words in curly brackets disappear: "LIMIT {$_CONF['limitnews']},
{$_CONF['limitnews']}" becomes "LIMIT ,".
Solved on my site - I was inserting them fine to the database but not
replacing the { with the ASCII code for display

> 3) When I tried to work around the above by using [code], I found out that
the forum only recognizes the first [code] block and leaves the second as it
is.
I have posted several test posts to identify and see this issue in my
testing forum. Preview and Posting with 2 CODE blocks appeared to work fine.
Adding a third CODE block was not being handled correctly  and I will do
further testing but that is a much rarer situation.


Please continue to test these cases out and verify the possible problem on
my site with an explainination so I can easily duplicate.

Thanks,
Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] GPlugs and Geeklog.net


> Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:
>
> >I offered my proposal and silence -- counter-proposal?
>
> Not really a counter-proposal, but I just had a tough time answering a
> post in the forum on geeklog.info where I ran into all sorts of problems
> with just that one post:
>
> 1) The single quotes problem - I can't even post "$_CONF['limitnews']"
> (or the word "can't", for that matter) without getting an SQL error.
>
> 2) Words in curly brackets disappear: "LIMIT {$_CONF['limitnews']},
> {$_CONF['limitnews']}" becomes "LIMIT ,".
>
> 3) When I tried to work around the above by using [code], I found out
> that the forum only recognizes the first [code] block and leaves the
> second as it is.
>
> This makes me wonder if the forum is really ready for prime-time yet.
>
> Blaine, I certainly don't want to put down the work that you invested
> into the forum. But these need to be fixed before we can use the forum on
> geeklog.net since those are basic things we need in almost every post ...
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> --
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.macosx-faq.de/
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 09:26:13 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:26:13 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net> <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de> <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>

Blaine,

On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I solved 
this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my 
office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I 
commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just ignore 
the gpc quote test, you will be alright.

For those listening in the file is public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php 
and the routine is gf_preparefordb().

TomW


From robg at macosxhints.com  Wed Feb 26 09:45:36 2003
From: robg at macosxhints.com (Rob Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:45:36 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Regarding PHP, thtml, and comments
Message-ID: <F76642C6-4998-11D7-B107-003065BE20A8@macosxhints.com>

Taken from Tony's recent post to the Geeklog users' list:

> Here is the general process for finding templates to edit:
>
> 1) Identify  PHP page that shows the forum in question.  In this case, 
> it
> is profiles.php
>
> 2) open that page and look for a corresponding function that displays 
> the
> form
>
> 3) In that function you will see the .thtml pages loaded.  Look into 
> those
> .thtml pages for the settings you need to tweak.

For themers, who may only have HTML experience, this process can be 
more than a little daunting.  If something like the vBulletin solution 
could be worked into GL2, I think you'd find the incidence of 
templating questions would drop by about 100%.  In vBulletin's master 
config panel, there's a "Show comments" variable that I can enable.  
Once enabled, every template page gets "<!-- START some_template -->" 
and "<!-- END some_template -->" tags around the relevant sections of 
code.  When working on a theme, all you need to do is load the page in 
the browser, view the source, and then look for the template markers to 
know exactly where you need to go.

I've done this in a brute-force manner with my development site (just 
added hard-coded comments to every .thtml file) as I was getting lost 
in the maze of inter-connected code bits.  But that's not really the 
best way to do it, as you'd rather not have the comments in the source 
view of the "real" site (it will make the HTML code larger, for one 
thing).  I don't know, though, what would be required to do it 
programmatically -- ideally it would be in the PHP files only, so 
themers wouldn't have to worry about making a change in the .thtml 
files that broke the commenting system.

Just my $0.02 to further muddy the waters! ;-)

-rob.



From dirk at haun-online.de  Wed Feb 26 12:04:05 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:04:05 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>

Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:

>On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I solved 
>this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my 
>office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I 
>commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just ignore 
>the gpc quote test, you will be alright.

Actually, I think there's a misunderstanding here as to what the
magic_quotes_gpc settting is all about. The "gpc" stands for "Get, Post,
Cookie", i.e. this setting does only apply to the handling of quotes in
case of GET or POST requests as well as Cookies. It does NOT apply for
quotes in SQL requests - that would be magic_quotes_runtime.

So, as Tom said, ignoring the magic_quotes_gpc settting and always using
addslashes() before storing anything in the database would work. This is
also how Geeklog does it (although that could be considered a bug since
it doesn't check for the setting of magic_quotes_runtime).

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 12:20:20 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:20:20 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030226172020.M95370@pigstye.net>

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:04:05 +0100, Dirk Haun wrote

> Actually, I think there's a misunderstanding here as to what the
> magic_quotes_gpc settting is all about. The "gpc" stands for "Get, Post,
> Cookie", i.e. this setting does only apply to the handling of quotes in
> case of GET or POST requests as well as Cookies. It does NOT apply for
> quotes in SQL requests - that would be magic_quotes_runtime.

Just to further muddy the waters, I forgot to mention that 
magic_quotes_runtime was turned off on both the computers I tested on.  One 
worked OK and the other coughed on the quotes.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 12:31:19 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:19 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
References: <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
 <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>

At 02:26 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Blaine,
>
>On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I solved
>this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my
>office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
>commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just ignore
>the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
>
>For those listening in the file is public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php
>and the routine is gf_preparefordb().
>
>TomW

It solves the sql error but now it displays the slashes.

http://www.trumbower.com/golden/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=7&showtopic=482

The second it's in this message was surrounded with the [code] block.


Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 14:06:06 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:06:06 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
References: <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net> <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de> <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030226190606.M82324@pigstye.net>

What are your gpc and runtime settings.  I do not have the quotes displayed 
on either server that have gpc on runtime off.  My quess is that you have 
gpc off, if that is the case it would be easy to add a 

$comment = stripslashes($comment);

to the top of createtopic.php and fix that issue.

TomW

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:19 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> At 02:26 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Blaine,
> >
> >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I 
solved
> >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my
> >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just ignore
> >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
> >
> >For those listening in the file is public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php
> >and the routine is gf_preparefordb().
> >
> >TomW
> 
> It solves the sql error but now it displays the slashes.
> 
> http://www.trumbower.com/golden/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=7&showtopic=482
> 
> The second it's in this message was surrounded with the [code] block.
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 14:08:20 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:08:20 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226190606.M82324@pigstye.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
 <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
 <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226130801.00b8e4b0@localhost>

magic_quotes_gpc        On      On
magic_quotes_runtime    Off     Off
magic_quotes_sybase     Off     Off


At 07:06 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>What are your gpc and runtime settings.  I do not have the quotes displayed
>on either server that have gpc on runtime off.  My quess is that you have
>gpc off, if that is the case it would be easy to add a
>
>$comment = stripslashes($comment);
>
>to the top of createtopic.php and fix that issue.
>
>TomW
>
>On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:19 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> > At 02:26 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Blaine,
> > >
> > >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I
>solved
> > >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my
> > >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> > >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just ignore
> > >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
> > >
> > >For those listening in the file is public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php
> > >and the routine is gf_preparefordb().
> > >
> > >TomW
> >
> > It solves the sql error but now it displays the slashes.
> >
> > http://www.trumbower.com/golden/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=7&showtopic=482
> >
> > The second it's in this message was surrounded with the [code] block.
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>
>--
>Tom Willett
>tomw at pigstye.net
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 14:22:01 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:22:01 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226130801.00b8e4b0@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost> <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net> <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de> <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226130801.00b8e4b0@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030226192201.M22343@pigstye.net>

Hmm, set just like mine.

Try adding

if (isset($comment)) {  // just to be safe
    $comment=stripslashes($comment);
}

just after the require_once s at the top of public_html/forum/createtopic.php

and see if it fixes your quote problem.

TomW
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:08:20 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> magic_quotes_gpc        On      On
> magic_quotes_runtime    Off     Off
> magic_quotes_sybase     Off     Off
> 
> At 07:06 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >What are your gpc and runtime settings.  I do not have the quotes 
displayed
> >on either server that have gpc on runtime off.  My quess is that you have
> >gpc off, if that is the case it would be easy to add a
> >
> >$comment = stripslashes($comment);
> >
> >to the top of createtopic.php and fix that issue.
> >
> >TomW
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:19 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> > > At 02:26 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Blaine,
> > > >
> > > >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I
> >solved
> > > >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at 
my
> > > >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> > > >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just 
ignore
> > > >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
> > > >
> > > >For those listening in the file is 
public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php
> > > >and the routine is gf_preparefordb().
> > > >
> > > >TomW
> > >
> > > It solves the sql error but now it displays the slashes.
> > >
> > > http://www.trumbower.com/golden/forum/viewtopic.php?
forum=7&showtopic=482
> > >
> > > The second it's in this message was surrounded with the [code] block.
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > > dwight at trumbower.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Tom Willett
> >tomw at pigstye.net
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devel mailing list
> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 14:31:25 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:31:25 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226192201.M22343@pigstye.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226130801.00b8e4b0@localhost>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
 <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <20030225132432.M32914@pigstye.net>
 <20030225163659.27376@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <002301c2dd98$63e5d790$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226112957.00b2b040@localhost>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226130801.00b8e4b0@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226133018.00b94628@localhost>

That fixed it, but the outline is wrong. I will have to search for that 
code. Maybe tonight I will have to delve into the forum code some more.

Thanks

At 07:22 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Hmm, set just like mine.
>
>Try adding
>
>if (isset($comment)) {  // just to be safe
>     $comment=stripslashes($comment);
>}
>
>just after the require_once s at the top of public_html/forum/createtopic.php
>
>and see if it fixes your quote problem.
>
>TomW
>On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:08:20 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> > magic_quotes_gpc        On      On
> > magic_quotes_runtime    Off     Off
> > magic_quotes_sybase     Off     Off
> >
> > At 07:06 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >What are your gpc and runtime settings.  I do not have the quotes
>displayed
> > >on either server that have gpc on runtime off.  My quess is that you have
> > >gpc off, if that is the case it would be easy to add a
> > >
> > >$comment = stripslashes($comment);
> > >
> > >to the top of createtopic.php and fix that issue.
> > >
> > >TomW
> > >
> > >On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:19 -0600, Dwight Trumbower wrote
> > > > At 02:26 PM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Blaine,
> > > > >
> > > > >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I
> > >solved
> > > > >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at
>my
> > > > >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> > > > >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just
>ignore
> > > > >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
> > > > >
> > > > >For those listening in the file is
>public_html/forum/include/gf_format.php
> > > > >and the routine is gf_preparefordb().
> > > > >
> > > > >TomW
> > > >
> > > > It solves the sql error but now it displays the slashes.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.trumbower.com/golden/forum/viewtopic.php?
>forum=7&showtopic=482
> > > >
> > > > The second it's in this message was surrounded with the [code] block.
> > > >
> > > > Dwight
> > > > dwight at trumbower.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Tom Willett
> > >tomw at pigstye.net
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>
>--
>Tom Willett
>tomw at pigstye.net
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:03:26 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:03:26 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] First one get $100
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226135909.00b8d628@mail.tsystemscorp.com>

I've tried to figure out an html problem with my site and I can't find it. 
I'll pay $100 for someone to find it for me.

When viewing this site http://www.trumbower.com/golden in IE 6 it is 
stretched out. Using mozilla or opera it looks correct.

The html even validates, though I now that doesn't guarantee proper rendering.

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 15:09:52 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:09:52 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <003501c2ddd3$05b7e150$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de> wrote:
> It does NOT apply for quotes in SQL requests - that would be
magic_quotes_runtime.

The way I understood it and my further research today confirms that
magic_quotes_gpc is the correct setting to be checking
If set on - it  will already have special characters like ", ' and \ escaped
so it is safe to put them directly into an SQL query.
In effect, this is the same as running addslashes() on every variable passed
from the browser automatically, before you even see them.

Magic_quotes_runtime if on - automatically escapes speciial charactes on the
READ of data from the Database. This is usefull when doing direct database
or table copies. So, I believe my logic is still correct - at least the
approach.

The issue as I recall with just using addslashes() in all cases is that
there will be an extra \ added as I am escaping the quotes twice
I then need to determine on the viewing of the posts as to the server
setting do some magic then - wrong approach IMHO.
The data should be properly handled and prepared before being inserted in
the database and then my view code is the same.

This is the way I wrote it now .. and adding stripslashes randomly in the
code may be an interesting exercise but not the right approach.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:
>
> >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I
solved
> >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my
> >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just
ignore
> >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
>
> Actually, I think there's a misunderstanding here as to what the
> magic_quotes_gpc settting is all about. The "gpc" stands for "Get, Post,
> Cookie", i.e. this setting does only apply to the handling of quotes in
> case of GET or POST requests as well as Cookies. It does NOT apply for
> quotes in SQL requests - that would be magic_quotes_runtime.
>
> So, as Tom said, ignoring the magic_quotes_gpc settting and always using
> addslashes() before storing anything in the database would work. This is
> also how Geeklog does it (although that could be considered a bug since
> it doesn't check for the setting of magic_quotes_runtime).
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> --
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.macosx-faq.de/
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:16:45 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:16:45 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <003501c2ddd3$05b7e150$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226141435.00b657a8@localhost>

At 03:09 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This is the way I wrote it now .. and adding stripslashes randomly in the
>code may be an interesting exercise but not the right approach.
>
>Blaine

I agree, so what can we do too help solve the problem on are machines, 
access, inserting debug code?

Dwight



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Tom Willett <tomw at pigstye.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On gplugs, quotes are an issue and the server has gpc quoting on.  I
>solved
> > >this by just commenting out the check for gpc quotes.  On a server at my
> > >office it also has gpc on the quotes are not an issue.  For a test I
> > >commented out the gpc test and it worked fine.  I think if you just
>ignore
> > >the gpc quote test, you will be alright.
> >
> > Actually, I think there's a misunderstanding here as to what the
> > magic_quotes_gpc settting is all about. The "gpc" stands for "Get, Post,
> > Cookie", i.e. this setting does only apply to the handling of quotes in
> > case of GET or POST requests as well as Cookies. It does NOT apply for
> > quotes in SQL requests - that would be magic_quotes_runtime.
> >
> > So, as Tom said, ignoring the magic_quotes_gpc settting and always using
> > addslashes() before storing anything in the database would work. This is
> > also how Geeklog does it (although that could be considered a bug since
> > it doesn't check for the setting of magic_quotes_runtime).
> >
> > bye, Dirk
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 15:17:30 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:17:30 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <003d01c2ddd4$16c28fd0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is failing..

In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()

The code to test the setting is
   if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {

Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
  COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
  and for the off state check

If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected

Maybe I need to be using
   if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {



Blaine



From mvonahn at techtracker.com  Wed Feb 26 15:22:47 2003
From: mvonahn at techtracker.com (Marc Von Ahn)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:22:47 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] First one get $100
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226135909.00b8d628@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
Message-ID: <123A8D8E-49C8-11D7-802E-003065C6D1F8@techtracker.com>

is it stretched in all themes or just the one you have selected?
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:03  PM, Dwight Trumbower wrote:

> http://www.trumbower.com/golden



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:27:43 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:27:43 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] First one get $100
In-Reply-To: <123A8D8E-49C8-11D7-802E-003065C6D1F8@techtracker.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226135909.00b8d628@mail.tsystemscorp.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142725.00b8cc10@localhost>

Just the one I created.

At 12:22 PM 2/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>is it stretched in all themes or just the one you have selected?
>On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:03  PM, Dwight Trumbower wrote:
>
>>http://www.trumbower.com/golden
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:29:12 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:29:12 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <003d01c2ddd4$16c28fd0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>

Results.

Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 
's 
won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','0'' 
at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic 
(forum,name,date,lastupdated, 
email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,locked)
                             VALUES 
('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
it\'s won\'t

test 2
<pre><code>it&#092;'s 
won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','0') 

Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the 
PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85


At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
>magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is failing..
>
>In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()
>
>The code to test the setting is
>    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
>
>Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
>   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
>   and for the off state check
>
>If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
>
>Maybe I need to be using
>    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
>
>
>
>Blaine
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:35:04 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:35:04 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <003d01c2ddd4$16c28fd0$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226143452.00b8db58@localhost>

Tried

get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1

Same bad results.

At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
>magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is failing..
>
>In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()
>
>The code to test the setting is
>    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
>
>Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
>   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
>   and for the off state check
>
>If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
>
>Maybe I need to be using
>    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
>
>
>
>Blaine
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 15:41:34 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:41:34 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030226204134.M82189@pigstye.net>

Blaine,

I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.

In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work here.  
There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three machines with the 
same quotes settings react three different ways to the same code.

The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal server I 
have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase off.  My 
server works like it should on your original code.  On both the servers I 
have control over adding slashes always fixed one (gplugs.sf.net) and did 
not break the other.  On Dwights server adding slashes fixed the database 
issue but caused the backslash display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at 
the top of the file so that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no harm 
to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.

On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is working 
correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that magic_quotes_gpc is 
broken or works inconsistently between versions of php and if that is the 
case you will have to work around it.

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net
--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 15:40:53 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:40:53 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
Message-ID: <006e01c2ddd7$5b0ab250$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Ok, so it's detecting the setting correctly AND it also looks like the data
is escaped properly as well.

If I'm reading the log correctly..
> ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1 it\'s won\'t

The quotes are escaped.

Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Results.
>
> Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near
> 's
>
won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
0''
> at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic
> (forum,name,date,lastupdated,
>
email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,locke
d)
>                              VALUES
> ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
> it\'s won\'t
>
> test 2
> <pre><code>it&#092;'s
>
won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
0')
>
> Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the
> PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85
>
>
> At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
> >magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is
failing..
> >
> >In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()
> >
> >The code to test the setting is
> >    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
> >
> >Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
> >   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
> >   and for the off state check
> >
> >If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
> >
> >Maybe I need to be using
> >    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
> >
> >
> >
> >Blaine
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devel mailing list
> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 15:51:09 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:51:09 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <006e01c2ddd7$5b0ab250$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226145007.00b70140@localhost>

That's how I read it too. My message had two test in it. I will see which 
is failing.
I bet it is the test with the code blocks.

Dwight

At 03:40 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, so it's detecting the setting correctly AND it also looks like the data
>is escaped properly as well.
>
>If I'm reading the log correctly..
> > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1 it\'s won\'t
>
>The quotes are escaped.
>
>Blaine
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Results.
> >
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near
> > 's
> >
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
>0''
> > at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic
> > (forum,name,date,lastupdated,
> >
>email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,locke
>d)
> >                              VALUES
> > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
> > it\'s won\'t
> >
> > test 2
> > <pre><code>it&#092;'s
> >
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
>0')
> >
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the
> > PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85
> >
> >
> > At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
> > >magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is
>failing..
> > >
> > >In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()
> > >
> > >The code to test the setting is
> > >    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
> > >
> > >Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
> > >   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
> > >   and for the off state check
> > >
> > >If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
> > >
> > >Maybe I need to be using
> > >    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Blaine
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 15:56:51 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:51 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost> <20030226204134.M82189@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <007c01c2ddd9$9656d530$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Tom,

I didn't really take it that way nor indended my reply to indicate I did
 : -)

Thats why I called it an interesting exercise as I agree - this is not a
standard bug but a sneaky one.
I'd just rather get more test results to try and figure out the best way to
address it but realy felt it was better to address on the SQL insert side of
the equation vs the display side.

I anticpate I will have an issue trying to figure out whether someone really
did want a double escape \\ or not.

Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Blaine,
>
> I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.
>
> In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work here.
> There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three machines with the
> same quotes settings react three different ways to the same code.
>
> The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal server
I
> have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase off.  My
> server works like it should on your original code.  On both the servers I
> have control over adding slashes always fixed one (gplugs.sf.net) and did
> not break the other.  On Dwights server adding slashes fixed the database
> issue but caused the backslash display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at
> the top of the file so that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no
harm
> to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.
>
> On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is working
> correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that magic_quotes_gpc is
> broken or works inconsistently between versions of php and if that is the
> case you will have to work around it.
>
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 16:22:20 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:22:20 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <006e01c2ddd7$5b0ab250$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226152146.00b70e50@localhost>

The only time I get the error is if I surround the problem words in a code 
block.

dwight


At 03:40 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, so it's detecting the setting correctly AND it also looks like the data
>is escaped properly as well.
>
>If I'm reading the log correctly..
> > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1 it\'s won\'t
>
>The quotes are escaped.
>
>Blaine
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Results.
> >
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near
> > 's
> >
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
>0''
> > at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic
> > (forum,name,date,lastupdated,
> >
>email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,locke
>d)
> >                              VALUES
> > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
> > it\'s won\'t
> >
> > test 2
> > <pre><code>it&#092;'s
> >
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0','
>0')
> >
> > Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the
> > PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85
> >
> >
> > At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting for
> > >magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is
>failing..
> > >
> > >In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is gf_preparefordb()
> > >
> > >The code to test the setting is
> > >    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
> > >
> > >Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
> > >   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
> > >   and for the off state check
> > >
> > >If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
> > >
> > >Maybe I need to be using
> > >    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Blaine
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 16:26:06 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:26:06 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <007c01c2ddd9$9656d530$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost> <20030226204134.M82189@pigstye.net> <007c01c2ddd9$9656d530$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030226212606.M15451@pigstye.net>

Blaine,

Of course, you can count on me to test things for you.

As far as I can tell my test machine works like your test machines, but 
gplugs.sf.net is one of the recalcitrant machines.

Let me know and I will test it for you.  Or if you can't wait till I am 
available, you have access youself and can do it yourself.  The only file 
that is changed there now is the gl_format.php where I commented out the 
check for gpc.

TomW
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:56:51 -0500, Blaine Lang wrote
> Tom,
> 
> I didn't really take it that way nor indended my reply to indicate I did
>  : -)
> 
> Thats why I called it an interesting exercise as I agree - this is not a
> standard bug but a sneaky one.
> I'd just rather get more test results to try and figure out the best way to
> address it but realy felt it was better to address on the SQL insert side 
of
> the equation vs the display side.
> 
> I anticpate I will have an issue trying to figure out whether someone 
really
> did want a double escape \\ or not.
> 
> Blaine
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> 
> > Blaine,
> >
> > I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.
> >
> > In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work 
here.
> > There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three machines with the
> > same quotes settings react three different ways to the same code.
> >
> > The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal server
> I
> > have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase off.  
My
> > server works like it should on your original code.  On both the servers I
> > have control over adding slashes always fixed one (gplugs.sf.net) and did
> > not break the other.  On Dwights server adding slashes fixed the database
> > issue but caused the backslash display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at
> > the top of the file so that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no
> harm
> > to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.
> >
> > On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is working
> > correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that magic_quotes_gpc is
> > broken or works inconsistently between versions of php and if that is the
> > case you will have to work around it.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 16:32:37 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:32:37 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net> <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226152146.00b70e50@localhost>
Message-ID: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Ok .. now that is new information.  Thanks Dwight.

Is this the case for all?
How about anyone else - Dirk?

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> The only time I get the error is if I surround the problem words in a code
> block.
>
> dwight
>
>
> At 03:40 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ok, so it's detecting the setting correctly AND it also looks like the
data
> >is escaped properly as well.
> >
> >If I'm reading the log correctly..
> > > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1 it\'s
won\'t
> >
> >The quotes are escaped.
> >
> >Blaine
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
> >To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> >
> >
> > > Results.
> > >
> > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax
near
> > > 's
> > >
>
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0',
'
> >0''
> > > at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic
> > > (forum,name,date,lastupdated,
> > >
>
>email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,lock
e
> >d)
> > >                              VALUES
> > > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
> > > it\'s won\'t
> > >
> > > test 2
> > > <pre><code>it&#092;'s
> > >
>
>won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0',
'
> >0')
> > >
> > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the
> > > PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting
for
> > > >magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is
> >failing..
> > > >
> > > >In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is
gf_preparefordb()
> > > >
> > > >The code to test the setting is
> > > >    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
> > > >
> > > >Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
> > > >   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
> > > >   and for the off state check
> > > >
> > > >If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
> > > >
> > > >Maybe I need to be using
> > > >    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Blaine
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > > dwight at trumbower.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devel mailing list
> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>



From dirk at haun-online.de  Wed Feb 26 16:45:11 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:45:11 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de>

Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Is this the case for all?
>How about anyone else - Dirk?

I just tried just posting "I can't post anything here" (no [code] blocks
or anything fancy) on geeklog.info and got an SQL error.

Feel free to make test posting under the topic "Test - bitte ignorieren"
there (in the Support forum).

Btw, I can't delete that post - but I think that's a know bug, isn't it?

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.haun.info/



From dwight at trumbower.com  Wed Feb 26 17:18:04 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:18:04 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <20030226142613.M54388@pigstye.net>
 <20030226170405.27256@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226142903.00b591d8@localhost>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20030226152146.00b70e50@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226161623.02890e68@localhost>

In the function gf_handlecode where you do a str_replace for slashes is the 
problem. It is going to have to see if the \ is for an apostrophe or not.
$new_pre_string = str_replace( '\\', '&#092;', $orig_pre_string );

Dwight

At 04:32 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok .. now that is new information.  Thanks Dwight.
>
>Is this the case for all?
>How about anyone else - Dirk?
>
>Blaine
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > The only time I get the error is if I surround the problem words in a code
> > block.
> >
> > dwight
> >
> >
> > At 03:40 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Ok, so it's detecting the setting correctly AND it also looks like the
>data
> > >is escaped properly as well.
> > >
> > >If I'm reading the log correctly..
> > > > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1 it\'s
>won\'t
> > >
> > >The quotes are escaped.
> > >
> > >Blaine
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
> > >To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:29 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Results.
> > > >
> > > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - magic_quotes_gpc is on
> > > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:27 2003 - 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax
>near
> > > > 's
> > > >
> >
> >won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0',
>'
> > >0''
> > > > at line 2 SQL in question: INSERT INTO gl_forum_topic
> > > > (forum,name,date,lastupdated,
> > > >
> >
> >email,website,subject,comment,postmode,ip,mood,topicimg,uid,pid,sticky,lock
>e
> > >d)
> > > >                              VALUES
> > > > ('7','Admin','1046291187',1046291187,'','','it\'s\'','test 1
> > > > it\'s won\'t
> > > >
> > > > test 2
> > > > <pre><code>it&#092;'s
> > > >
> >
> >won&#092;'t</code></pre>','html','64.91.71.140','','icon_file','2','0','0',
>'
> > >0')
> > > >
> > > > Wed Feb 26 15:26:55 2003 - Someone has tried to illegally access the
> > > > PHPInfo page.  User id: , Username: , IP: 216.99.216.85
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 03:17 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >I've added debug statements on my sites to code to test the setting
>for
> > > > >magic_quotes_gpc is working but I wonder if on other sites this is
> > >failing..
> > > > >
> > > > >In public/forum/include/gf_format.php - the function is
>gf_preparefordb()
> > > > >
> > > > >The code to test the setting is
> > > > >    if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc()  )    {
> > > > >
> > > > >Add a debug output to test both cases of this if statement such as:
> > > > >   COM_errorLOG("magic_quotes_gpc is on");
> > > > >   and for the off state check
> > > > >
> > > > >If may be that on some sites it is not being properly detected
> > > > >
> > > > >Maybe I need to be using
> > > > >    if (get_magic_quotes_gpc() = = 1 )  {
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Blaine
> > > > >
> > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > > >
> > > > Dwight
> > > > dwight at trumbower.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From tomw at pigstye.net  Wed Feb 26 17:23:07 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:23:07 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de>
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030226222307.M11599@pigstye.net>

It doesn't matter whether the quote is a code block or not on gplugs.sf.net 
either.

Tom
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:45:11 +0100, Dirk Haun wrote
> Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> >Is this the case for all?
> >How about anyone else - Dirk?
> 
> I just tried just posting "I can't post anything here" (no [code] blocks
> or anything fancy) on geeklog.info and got an SQL error.
> 
> Feel free to make test posting under the topic "Test - bitte ignorieren"
> there (in the Support forum).
> 
> Btw, I can't delete that post - but I think that's a know bug, isn't it?
> 
> bye, Dirk
> 
> -- 
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.haun.info/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 18:00:35 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:00:35 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <009001c2ddea$df06dd50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Dirk,

Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as well?

I don't recall the delete topic issue .. you are a moderator in my test
forum as well. I delete in there all the time.

I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like - no
charge.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Haun" <dirk at haun-online.de>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Is this the case for all?
> >How about anyone else - Dirk?
>
> I just tried just posting "I can't post anything here" (no [code] blocks
> or anything fancy) on geeklog.info and got an SQL error.
>
> Feel free to make test posting under the topic "Test - bitte ignorieren"
> there (in the Support forum).
>
> Btw, I can't delete that post - but I think that's a know bug, isn't it?
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> --
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.haun.info/
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>



From mark.limburg at baesystems.com  Wed Feb 26 18:07:29 2003
From: mark.limburg at baesystems.com (LIMBURG, Mark)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:37:29 +1030
Subject: [geeklog-devel] First one get $100
Message-ID: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45501C75163@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>

Howdy,

 > When viewing this site http://www.trumbower.com/golden in IE 6 it is 
 > stretched out. Using mozilla or opera it looks correct.
 > 
 > The html even validates, though I now that doesn't guarantee 
 > proper rendering.

There are a few minor problems .. your <table> tags need summary=""
entities.  Very very very very minor point.  I reformatted the source from
your page, and it looks quite fine.

Okay, quick question .. do you want this theme to be 100% wide across the
browser?  The width of the table seem to be the only issue.  I'll save the
source I have of the page, make some modifications, and see how it goes.  If
you're able define the end result your after and I'll see if there are a few
tricks that can be applied to the table structure to ensure cross browser
compliance.  Feel free to email me or send it to the list :)

Regards,

Mark Limburg
Team Leader, Unix Operations, Information Systems

BAE SYSTEMS, AUSTRALIA
PO Box 1068, Salisbury
South Australia,  5108
Phone: +61 8 8480 7971
Fax:   +61 8 8480 8866
Mobile:+61 4 0448 0599


From langmail at sympatico.ca  Wed Feb 26 23:51:45 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:51:45 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de> <20030226222307.M11599@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

I've created this little test program - and I expect it will work for all
but let's give it a try...

Create a test table as per the SQL in the program header comments
Place the file in your geeklog public_html directory.

Tom, I already tried this on the gplugs site and it worked fine..
http://gplugs.sourceforge.net/magictest.php

Detected the magic_quotes_gpc was on
Auto escaped the quotes
SQL insert worked fine

Soo ... that tells us it should work..

Blaine
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From dwight at trumbower.com  Thu Feb 27 00:47:12 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:47:12 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de> <20030226222307.M11599@pigstye.net> <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <007b01c2de23$b9347680$27d2e6cf@kidstar>

Worked for me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> I've created this little test program - and I expect it will work for all
> but let's give it a try...
> 
> Create a test table as per the SQL in the program header comments
> Place the file in your geeklog public_html directory.
> 
> Tom, I already tried this on the gplugs site and it worked fine..
> http://gplugs.sourceforge.net/magictest.php
> 
> Detected the magic_quotes_gpc was on
> Auto escaped the quotes
> SQL insert worked fine
> 
> Soo ... that tells us it should work..
> 
> Blaine
> 


From dwight at trumbower.com  Thu Feb 27 00:51:02 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:51:02 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] First one get $100
References: <DB7A11EAA82C984BA0CFBA1469E0A45501C75163@sbw2ex1.au.baesystems.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c2de24$370cf460$27d2e6cf@kidstar>

Well, Mr Limburg wins the prize. It was a padding issue in the css. Changed
it from a percent to pixels and the stretch dissappeard. Now I just have
some tweaking to do to get everything correct.

I appreciate everyone that looked at this problem for me.

Maybe it is time to switch over to a mac.;)

Dwight



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 27 08:30:23 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:30:23 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de> <20030226222307.M11599@pigstye.net> <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <007b01c2de23$b9347680$27d2e6cf@kidstar>
Message-ID: <004601c2de64$61caed20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Ok ... Did a bit more testing on gplugs site this morning and the behaviour
is different then on my sites
The problem is as follows.

I call gf_preparefordb to detemine post mode , HTML filters and if
addslashes is needed.

Step1
After the submit, I check the form variable $comment
  and magic_quotes_gpc has done it's magic - see DEBUG Line1

Step2
Inside gf_preparefordb - the passed variable is missing the escape character
See DEBUG Lines2 and 3

Now, I don't get this behaviour on my various systems - it passes the
variable fine.
I was not passing it with quotes "$message" so I tried that - same results.

Interesting no?

I can re-engineer this but thought I'd pass along my results - any ideas
appreciated.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
DEBUG Line1 ->
    Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - comment is:Can\'t this work? and POST_VARS
is: Can\'t this work?
DEBUG Line2 ->
    Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - Inside gf_preparefordb
DEBUG Line3 ->
   Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - HTML Mode, Magic quotes are ON and data
is:Can't this work?



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb 27 11:47:50 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:47:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <007c01c2ddd9$9656d530$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302271046370.8907-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Well, it is important we have consensus on this.  I'm within a couple of 
weeks from coding some real DB interaction in GL2 and having this all 
ironed out willl help alot.  I will grab my settings tonight and sahre 
with you all in hopes it can further help.

--Tony

 On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Blaine 
Lang wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> I didn't really take it that way nor indended my reply to indicate I did
>  : -)
> 
> Thats why I called it an interesting exercise as I agree - this is not a
> standard bug but a sneaky one.
> I'd just rather get more test results to try and figure out the best way to
> address it but realy felt it was better to address on the SQL insert side of
> the equation vs the display side.
> 
> I anticpate I will have an issue trying to figure out whether someone really
> did want a double escape \\ or not.
> 
> Blaine
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> 
> 
> > Blaine,
> >
> > I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.
> >
> > In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work here.
> > There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three machines with the
> > same quotes settings react three different ways to the same code.
> >
> > The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal server
> I
> > have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase off.  My
> > server works like it should on your original code.  On both the servers I
> > have control over adding slashes always fixed one (gplugs.sf.net) and did
> > not break the other.  On Dwights server adding slashes fixed the database
> > issue but caused the backslash display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at
> > the top of the file so that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no
> harm
> > to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.
> >
> > On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is working
> > correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that magic_quotes_gpc is
> > broken or works inconsistently between versions of php and if that is the
> > case you will have to work around it.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From me at jasonwhittenburg.com  Thu Feb 27 12:31:43 2003
From: me at jasonwhittenburg.com (Jason Whittenburg)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:31:43 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302271046370.8907-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04E7@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>

Tony,

Any good DB layer will take care of this for you automagically.  PEAR_DB
does this already, I'm pretty sure ADO_DB does as well.

-----
Jason Whittenburg
Internet Security Systems, Inc.
404.236.4043 

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:48 AM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


Well, it is important we have consensus on this.  I'm within a couple of

weeks from coding some real DB interaction in GL2 and having this all 
ironed out willl help alot.  I will grab my settings tonight and sahre 
with you all in hopes it can further help.

--Tony

 On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Blaine 
Lang wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> I didn't really take it that way nor indended my reply to indicate I 
> did
>  : -)
> 
> Thats why I called it an interesting exercise as I agree - this is not

> a standard bug but a sneaky one. I'd just rather get more test results

> to try and figure out the best way to address it but realy felt it was

> better to address on the SQL insert side of the equation vs the 
> display side.
> 
> I anticpate I will have an issue trying to figure out whether someone 
> really did want a double escape \\ or not.
> 
> Blaine
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> 
> 
> > Blaine,
> >
> > I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.
> >
> > In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work

> > here. There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three 
> > machines with the same quotes settings react three different ways to

> > the same code.
> >
> > The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal 
> > server
> I
> > have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase 
> > off.  My server works like it should on your original code.  On both

> > the servers I have control over adding slashes always fixed one 
> > (gplugs.sf.net) and did not break the other.  On Dwights server 
> > adding slashes fixed the database issue but caused the backslash 
> > display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at the top of the file so 
> > that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no
> harm
> > to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.
> >
> > On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is 
> > working correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that 
> > magic_quotes_gpc is broken or works inconsistently between versions 
> > of php and if that is the case you will have to work around it.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net
> > --
> > Tom Willett
> > tomw at pigstye.net _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Thu Feb 27 13:42:32 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:42:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <B7A90AC132226749A35B1E6C2656F6586C04E7@atlmaiexcp02.iss.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302271242010.8907-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Well, good.  Nuff said.

Learning something new about PEAR everyday.

--Tony

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Jason Whittenburg wrote:

> Tony,
> 
> Any good DB layer will take care of this for you automagically.  PEAR_DB
> does this already, I'm pretty sure ADO_DB does as well.
> 
> -----
> Jason Whittenburg
> Internet Security Systems, Inc.
> 404.236.4043 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Tony Bibbs
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> 
> 
> Well, it is important we have consensus on this.  I'm within a couple of
> 
> weeks from coding some real DB interaction in GL2 and having this all 
> ironed out willl help alot.  I will grab my settings tonight and sahre 
> with you all in hopes it can further help.
> 
> --Tony
> 
>  On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Blaine 
> Lang wrote:
> 
> > Tom,
> > 
> > I didn't really take it that way nor indended my reply to indicate I 
> > did
> >  : -)
> > 
> > Thats why I called it an interesting exercise as I agree - this is not
> 
> > a standard bug but a sneaky one. I'd just rather get more test results
> 
> > to try and figure out the best way to address it but realy felt it was
> 
> > better to address on the SQL insert side of the equation vs the 
> > display side.
> > 
> > I anticpate I will have an issue trying to figure out whether someone 
> > really did want a double escape \\ or not.
> > 
> > Blaine
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Willett" <tomw at pigstye.net>
> > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > 
> > 
> > > Blaine,
> > >
> > > I did not mean to offend you even though I probably did.  Sorry.
> > >
> > > In theory I agree with, the problem is that the theory does not work
> 
> > > here. There are obviously issues between php versions.  Three 
> > > machines with the same quotes settings react three different ways to
> 
> > > the same code.
> > >
> > > The machines I am talking about are the gplugs.sf.net, an internal 
> > > server
> > I
> > > have, and Dwights server.  all have gpc on runtime off and sybase 
> > > off.  My server works like it should on your original code.  On both
> 
> > > the servers I have control over adding slashes always fixed one 
> > > (gplugs.sf.net) and did not break the other.  On Dwights server 
> > > adding slashes fixed the database issue but caused the backslash 
> > > display problem.  Adding a stripslashes at the top of the file so 
> > > that it would stripslashes added by gpc, did no
> > harm
> > > to my servers which were fine before and fixed Dwight's.
> > >
> > > On both the machines that I have control over the test for gpc is 
> > > working correctly, just as it is on Dwights.  It appears that 
> > > magic_quotes_gpc is broken or works inconsistently between versions 
> > > of php and if that is the case you will have to work around it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tom Willett
> > > tomw at pigstye.net
> > > --
> > > Tom Willett
> > > tomw at pigstye.net _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net 
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > 
> 
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb 27 14:26:06 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:26:06 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030227192607.16426@smtp.haun-online.de>

Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Detected the magic_quotes_gpc was on
>Auto escaped the quotes
>SQL insert worked fine

For the record: I get the same result on geeklog.info:

This is a program for testing magic_quotes and database inserts of quotes
Currently magic_quotes_gpc is set to be on

Saving Can\'t this work? as a new record ...
Record saved ok.

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://mypod.de/



From dirk at haun-online.de  Thu Feb 27 14:34:08 2003
From: dirk at haun-online.de (Dirk Haun)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:34:08 +0100
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <009001c2ddea$df06dd50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <009001c2ddea$df06dd50$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <20030227193409.14089@smtp.haun-online.de>

Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as well?

Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...


>I don't recall the delete topic issue .. 

<http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>


>you are a moderator in my test
>forum as well. I delete in there all the time.

Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:

No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function. 
Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions. 

Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?


>I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like - no
>charge.

Hehe, yes, please :-)

bye, Dirk


-- 
http://www.haun-online.de/
http://www.macosx-faq.de/



From danny at squatty.com  Thu Feb 27 15:15:02 2003
From: danny at squatty.com (Danny Ledger)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:15:02 -0800
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <20030227193409.14089@smtp.haun-online.de>
Message-ID: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty>

>>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?

It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.

-----Original Message-----
From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
[mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues

Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
well?

Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...


>I don't recall the delete topic issue .. 

<http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>


>you are a moderator in my test
>forum as well. I delete in there all the time.

Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:

No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function. 
Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions. 

Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?


>I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like
- no
>charge.

Hehe, yes, please :-)

bye, Dirk


-- 
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http://www.macosx-faq.de/

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From langmail at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 27 16:12:04 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:12:04 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty>
Message-ID: <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that is
related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is escaped (via
magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside that
fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..

Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no longer a
POST_VAR but is a internal variable.

Blaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
>
> It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
> Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
> well?
>
> Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
>
>
> >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
>
> <http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
>
>
> >you are a moderator in my test
> >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
>
> Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
>
> No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
>
> Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
>
>
> >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like
> - no
> >charge.
>
> Hehe, yes, please :-)
>
> bye, Dirk
>
>
> --
> http://www.haun-online.de/
> http://www.macosx-faq.de/
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Thu Feb 27 17:08:01 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:08:01 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <004601c2de64$61caed20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <008401c2ddde$956aae30$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <20030226214511.28437@smtp.haun-online.de>
 <20030226222307.M11599@pigstye.net>
 <001b01c2de1b$ee3fd840$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
 <007b01c2de23$b9347680$27d2e6cf@kidstar>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030227160649.00b2c5b8@localhost>

Could be a php version problem? Have you compared the php setting on gplug, 
geeklog.info with your servers?

On my server I get the intended reponse.

Dwight

At 08:30 AM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok ... Did a bit more testing on gplugs site this morning and the behaviour
>is different then on my sites
>The problem is as follows.
>
>I call gf_preparefordb to detemine post mode , HTML filters and if
>addslashes is needed.
>
>Step1
>After the submit, I check the form variable $comment
>   and magic_quotes_gpc has done it's magic - see DEBUG Line1
>
>Step2
>Inside gf_preparefordb - the passed variable is missing the escape character
>See DEBUG Lines2 and 3
>
>Now, I don't get this behaviour on my various systems - it passes the
>variable fine.
>I was not passing it with quotes "$message" so I tried that - same results.
>
>Interesting no?
>
>I can re-engineer this but thought I'd pass along my results - any ideas
>appreciated.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>DEBUG Line1 ->
>     Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - comment is:Can\'t this work? and POST_VARS
>is: Can\'t this work?
>DEBUG Line2 ->
>     Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - Inside gf_preparefordb
>DEBUG Line3 ->
>    Thu Feb 27 05:17:13 2003 - HTML Mode, Magic quotes are ON and data
>is:Can't this work?
>
>_______________________________________________
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>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 27 18:13:10 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:13:10 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty> <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <000901c2deb5$cba5c200$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Correction .. now that I've had another look at it...
I've tracked it down ...

It's caused when I passed the magic_quoted variable thru COM_checkHTML and
not all sites will have this enabled.
For anyone that has this problem as a test - disable the Geeklog HTML filter
in your forum settings.

To FIX:   In gf_preparefordb()   - LINE 64 should be:
$message = addslashes(COM_checkHTML($message));

Thanks all for your patience but we all know a bit more about PHP magic now.

Blaine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that is
> related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is escaped
(via
> magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside that
> fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..
>
> Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no longer a
> POST_VAR but is a internal variable.
>
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> >
> > It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> > [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> >
> > Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
> > well?
> >
> > Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
> >
> >
> > >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
> >
> > <http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
> >
> >
> > >you are a moderator in my test
> > >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
> >
> > Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
> >
> > No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> > Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
> >
> > Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> >
> >
> > >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like
> > - no
> > >charge.
> >
> > Hehe, yes, please :-)
> >
> > bye, Dirk
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 27 18:19:12 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:19:12 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty> <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <000901c2deb5$cba5c200$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <001301c2deb6$a3276f80$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

BTW, thats LINE 164

Must be another filter bug
----- Original Message.  -----
From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Correction .. now that I've had another look at it...
> I've tracked it down ...
>
> It's caused when I passed the magic_quoted variable thru COM_checkHTML and
> not all sites will have this enabled.
> For anyone that has this problem as a test - disable the Geeklog HTML
filter
> in your forum settings.
>
> To FIX:   In gf_preparefordb()   - LINE 64 should be:
> $message = addslashes(COM_checkHTML($message));
>
> Thanks all for your patience but we all know a bit more about PHP magic
now.
>
> Blaine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that is
> > related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is escaped
> (via
> > magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside that
> > fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..
> >
> > Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no longer a
> > POST_VAR but is a internal variable.
> >
> > Blaine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
> > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> >
> >
> > > >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> > >
> > > It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> > > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > >
> > > Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
> > > well?
> > >
> > > Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
> > >
> > >
> > > >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
> > >
> > > <http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
> > >
> > >
> > > >you are a moderator in my test
> > > >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
> > >
> > > Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
> > >
> > > No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> > > Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
> > >
> > > Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> > >
> > >
> > > >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you
like
> > > - no
> > > >charge.
> > >
> > > Hehe, yes, please :-)
> > >
> > > bye, Dirk
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>



From dwight at trumbower.com  Thu Feb 27 18:41:42 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:41:42 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
In-Reply-To: <000901c2deb5$cba5c200$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty>
 <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030227174031.00b8ad10@localhost>

Thanks Blaine.

You are also going need to wrap line 168 with the addslashes if you have 
the glfilter off and you use apostrophes in a code bracket.

$message = addslashes(gf_handlecode($message));

Dwight

At 06:13 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Correction .. now that I've had another look at it...
>I've tracked it down ...
>
>It's caused when I passed the magic_quoted variable thru COM_checkHTML and
>not all sites will have this enabled.
>For anyone that has this problem as a test - disable the Geeklog HTML filter
>in your forum settings.
>
>To FIX:   In gf_preparefordb()   - LINE 64 should be:
>$message = addslashes(COM_checkHTML($message));
>
>Thanks all for your patience but we all know a bit more about PHP magic now.
>
>Blaine
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
>To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that is
> > related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is escaped
>(via
> > magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside that
> > fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..
> >
> > Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no longer a
> > POST_VAR but is a internal variable.
> >
> > Blaine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
> > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> >
> >
> > > >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> > >
> > > It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk Haun
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> > > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > >
> > > Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
> > > well?
> > >
> > > Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
> > >
> > >
> > > >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
> > >
> > > <http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
> > >
> > >
> > > >you are a moderator in my test
> > > >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
> > >
> > > Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
> > >
> > > No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> > > Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
> > >
> > > Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> > >
> > >
> > > >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you like
> > > - no
> > > >charge.
> > >
> > > Hehe, yes, please :-)
> > >
> > > bye, Dirk
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>_______________________________________________
>geeklog-devel mailing list
>geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel

Dwight
dwight at trumbower.com



From langmail at sympatico.ca  Thu Feb 27 19:23:36 2003
From: langmail at sympatico.ca (Blaine Lang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:23:36 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty> <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <5.1.0.14.2.20030227174031.00b8ad10@localhost>
Message-ID: <003f01c2debf$a26b0e40$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>

Actually Dwight,

It's not that code thats doing it. There is a stripslashes() in
COM_checkHTML and that was my issue all along.
So the 1 line I noted should be all that is required.

But please ... test more scenarios.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Thanks Blaine.
>
> You are also going need to wrap line 168 with the addslashes if you have
> the glfilter off and you use apostrophes in a code bracket.
>
> $message = addslashes(gf_handlecode($message));
>
> Dwight
>
> At 06:13 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Correction .. now that I've had another look at it...
> >I've tracked it down ...
> >
> >It's caused when I passed the magic_quoted variable thru COM_checkHTML
and
> >not all sites will have this enabled.
> >For anyone that has this problem as a test - disable the Geeklog HTML
filter
> >in your forum settings.
> >
> >To FIX:   In gf_preparefordb()   - LINE 64 should be:
> >$message = addslashes(COM_checkHTML($message));
> >
> >Thanks all for your patience but we all know a bit more about PHP magic
now.
> >
> >Blaine
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
> >To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> >
> >
> > > Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that
is
> > > related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is escaped
> >(via
> > > magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside
that
> > > fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..
> > >
> > > Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no longer
a
> > > POST_VAR but is a internal variable.
> > >
> > > Blaine
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
> > > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme?
Squatty?
> > > >
> > > > It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk
Haun
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> > > > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > > >
> > > > Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator as
> > > > well?
> > > >
> > > > Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >you are a moderator in my test
> > > > >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
> > > >
> > > > Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
> > > >
> > > > No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> > > > Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
> > > >
> > > > Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme? Squatty?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you
like
> > > > - no
> > > > >charge.
> > > >
> > > > Hehe, yes, please :-)
> > > >
> > > > bye, Dirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > > > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >geeklog-devel mailing list
> >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> Dwight
> dwight at trumbower.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel



From dwight at trumbower.com  Fri Feb 28 00:32:32 2003
From: dwight at trumbower.com (Dwight Trumbower)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:32:32 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
References: <000201c2de9c$ec9cf910$1202a8c0@fatty> <017701c2dea4$e0896a20$9a0a10ac@xpbl1> <5.1.0.14.2.20030227174031.00b8ad10@localhost> <003f01c2debf$a26b0e40$9a0a10ac@xpbl1>
Message-ID: <003b01c2deea$cbdd59b0$22d2e6cf@kidstar>

Turn your gffilter to off and create a message that uses the code blocks and
put an ' in the message. It should fail. If it doesn't fail for you it does
at www.trumbower.com/golden .

Putting addslashes solves it but it is not the correct solution, since the
message will show the \ in front of the '.

Dwight

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues


> Actually Dwight,
>
> It's not that code thats doing it. There is a stripslashes() in
> COM_checkHTML and that was my issue all along.
> So the 1 line I noted should be all that is required.
>
> But please ... test more scenarios.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dwight Trumbower" <dwight at trumbower.com>
> To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
>
>
> > Thanks Blaine.
> >
> > You are also going need to wrap line 168 with the addslashes if you have
> > the glfilter off and you use apostrophes in a code bracket.
> >
> > $message = addslashes(gf_handlecode($message));
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > At 06:13 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Correction .. now that I've had another look at it...
> > >I've tracked it down ...
> > >
> > >It's caused when I passed the magic_quoted variable thru COM_checkHTML
> and
> > >not all sites will have this enabled.
> > >For anyone that has this problem as a test - disable the Geeklog HTML
> filter
> > >in your forum settings.
> > >
> > >To FIX:   In gf_preparefordb()   - LINE 64 should be:
> > >$message = addslashes(COM_checkHTML($message));
> > >
> > >Thanks all for your patience but we all know a bit more about PHP magic
> now.
> > >
> > >Blaine
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Blaine Lang" <langmail at sympatico.ca>
> > >To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > >Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:12 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeh.. It would appear based on my previous update on my testing that
> is
> > > > related to the fact I pass the HTTP_POST_VAR variable which is
escaped
> > >(via
> > > > magic_quotes) to a function gf_preparefordb() and when used inside
> that
> > > > fuction the magic quotes or escape char is gone..
> > > >
> > > > Now that's magic but I guess has some logic to it as now it no
longer
> a
> > > > POST_VAR but is a internal variable.
> > > >
> > > > Blaine
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Danny Ledger" <danny at squatty.com>
> > > > To: <geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:15 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >>Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme?
> Squatty?
> > > > >
> > > > > It works for me on IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > > [mailto:geeklog-devel-admin at lists.geeklog.net] On Behalf Of Dirk
> Haun
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:34 AM
> > > > > To: geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: [geeklog-devel] Forum Issues
> > > > >
> > > > > Blaine Lang <langmail at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Would you want to create a testing forum and make me a moderator
as
> > > > > well?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you still need this? I can do that, np ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I don't recall the delete topic issue ..
> > > > >
> > > > >
<http://www.langfamily.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=421>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >you are a moderator in my test
> > > > > >forum as well. I delete in there all the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Confirmed, it works on your forums. On mine, I get this:
> > > > >
> > > > > No function selected, choose a post and then a moderator function.
> > > > > Note: You must be a moderator to perform these functions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could that be a problem with the Simple Orange forum theme?
Squatty?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I can send you my latest archive with the { } issue solved if you
> like
> > > > > - no
> > > > > >charge.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hehe, yes, please :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > bye, Dirk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.haun-online.de/
> > > > > http://www.macosx-faq.de/
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > > > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > > > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >geeklog-devel mailing list
> > >geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > >http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> > Dwight
> > dwight at trumbower.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
>



From tomw at pigstye.net  Fri Feb 28 08:51:07 2003
From: tomw at pigstye.net (Tom Willett)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:51:07 +0000
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
Message-ID: <20030228135107.M75253@pigstye.net>

A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday and maybe 
some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.  Pigstye.net 
was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is propagated 
the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures me that 
geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net is 
still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the real reason 
for this email.

So Tony,

Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?  Tell me so 
and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is issue a 
request for theme developers to join gplugs.

Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or does it 
need a push also?

--
Tom Willett
tomw at pigstye.net


From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 28 10:01:43 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:01:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <20030228135107.M75253@pigstye.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302280858400.15936-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

I can get the forum installed this weekend.  Simon, how long before you 
think you can start in on a theme?  I think before we get too far I'd like 
to see us do a diagram of the sitemap we want.  Or do we feel we don't 
need it?

Yes, I think you can proceed with the gplugs gl.net intergration.  I'll 
draft an article for the homepage that outlines all this to make sure I'm 
not miscommunicating any changes.

Wife and kid are out this weekend so guess who gets to play ;-)

--Tony

 On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:

> A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday and maybe 
> some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.  Pigstye.net 
> was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is propagated 
> the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures me that 
> geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net is 
> still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the real reason 
> for this email.
> 
> So Tony,
> 
> Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?  Tell me so 
> and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is issue a 
> request for theme developers to join gplugs.
> 
> Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or does it 
> need a push also?
> 
> --
> Tom Willett
> tomw at pigstye.net
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From slord at marelina.com  Fri Feb 28 10:10:11 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:10:11 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302280858400.15936-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <BB9E5DCF-4B2E-11D7-9A20-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

To what are we referring?  Geeklog.net?  Or IOWA?  I can do both,  I 
have more free time coming up as all my contracts are finalized and 
there is a large pool of nothingness on the horizon - kinda bleak but 
nothing I can do about that I guess.

Let me know what you want, I'm still working on the other theme and 
finding out lots of stuff about integrating geeklog themes with 
multiple modules (and 4images which isn't a module).

Damn, themeing geeklog isn't as easy as it used to be!

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> I can get the forum installed this weekend.  Simon, how long before you
> think you can start in on a theme?  I think before we get too far I'd 
> like
> to see us do a diagram of the sitemap we want.  Or do we feel we don't
> need it?
>
> Yes, I think you can proceed with the gplugs gl.net intergration.  I'll
> draft an article for the homepage that outlines all this to make sure 
> I'm
> not miscommunicating any changes.
>
> Wife and kid are out this weekend so guess who gets to play ;-)
>
> --Tony
>
>  On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
>
>> A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday 
>> and maybe
>> some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.  
>> Pigstye.net
>> was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is 
>> propagated
>> the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures 
>> me that
>> geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net 
>> is
>> still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the real 
>> reason
>> for this email.
>>
>> So Tony,
>>
>> Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?  
>> Tell me so
>> and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is issue 
>> a
>> request for theme developers to join gplugs.
>>
>> Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or 
>> does it
>> need a push also?
>>
>> --
>> Tom Willett
>> tomw at pigstye.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>                     --Unknown
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 28 16:58:51 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:58:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <BB9E5DCF-4B2E-11D7-9A20-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281558230.18280-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>

Well both but specifically gl.net ;-)

--Tony

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:

> To what are we referring?  Geeklog.net?  Or IOWA?  I can do both,  I 
> have more free time coming up as all my contracts are finalized and 
> there is a large pool of nothingness on the horizon - kinda bleak but 
> nothing I can do about that I guess.
> 
> Let me know what you want, I'm still working on the other theme and 
> finding out lots of stuff about integrating geeklog themes with 
> multiple modules (and 4images which isn't a module).
> 
> Damn, themeing geeklog isn't as easy as it used to be!
> 
> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> 
> > I can get the forum installed this weekend.  Simon, how long before you
> > think you can start in on a theme?  I think before we get too far I'd 
> > like
> > to see us do a diagram of the sitemap we want.  Or do we feel we don't
> > need it?
> >
> > Yes, I think you can proceed with the gplugs gl.net intergration.  I'll
> > draft an article for the homepage that outlines all this to make sure 
> > I'm
> > not miscommunicating any changes.
> >
> > Wife and kid are out this weekend so guess who gets to play ;-)
> >
> > --Tony
> >
> >  On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
> >
> >> A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday 
> >> and maybe
> >> some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.  
> >> Pigstye.net
> >> was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is 
> >> propagated
> >> the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures 
> >> me that
> >> geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net 
> >> is
> >> still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the real 
> >> reason
> >> for this email.
> >>
> >> So Tony,
> >>
> >> Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?  
> >> Tell me so
> >> and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is issue 
> >> a
> >> request for theme developers to join gplugs.
> >>
> >> Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or 
> >> does it
> >> need a push also?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom Willett
> >> tomw at pigstye.net
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> geeklog-devel mailing list
> >> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> >> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >>
> >
> > -- 
> > Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> > tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
> >                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
> >                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
> >                     --Unknown
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > geeklog-devel mailing list
> > geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> > http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> >
> >
> Sincerely,
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
> 

-- 
Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as      
                    harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you  
                    think about it, that might be a fair assessment." 
                    --Unknown




From slord at marelina.com  Fri Feb 28 17:15:47 2003
From: slord at marelina.com (Simon Lord)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:15:47 -0500
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281558230.18280-100000@internal.iowaoutdoors.org>
Message-ID: <304D41A0-4B6A-11D7-9A20-003065C030F2@marelina.com>

Well, I have to design a full scale corporate website to use as a 
sample.  I may have a few clients willing to pay a few grand for a GL 
site setup internally or as their main web presence.  What I can do is 
make *that* demo site the GL main site and kill two birds at once.

Objections?  I should be starting this within a few weeks at most.  I'm 
almost done the current one.... ;P

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:58 PM, Tony Bibbs wrote:

> Well both but specifically gl.net ;-)
>
> --Tony
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:
>
>> To what are we referring?  Geeklog.net?  Or IOWA?  I can do both,  I
>> have more free time coming up as all my contracts are finalized and
>> there is a large pool of nothingness on the horizon - kinda bleak but
>> nothing I can do about that I guess.
>>
>> Let me know what you want, I'm still working on the other theme and
>> finding out lots of stuff about integrating geeklog themes with
>> multiple modules (and 4images which isn't a module).
>>
>> Damn, themeing geeklog isn't as easy as it used to be!
>>
>> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Tony Bibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I can get the forum installed this weekend.  Simon, how long before 
>>> you
>>> think you can start in on a theme?  I think before we get too far I'd
>>> like
>>> to see us do a diagram of the sitemap we want.  Or do we feel we 
>>> don't
>>> need it?
>>>
>>> Yes, I think you can proceed with the gplugs gl.net intergration.  
>>> I'll
>>> draft an article for the homepage that outlines all this to make sure
>>> I'm
>>> not miscommunicating any changes.
>>>
>>> Wife and kid are out this weekend so guess who gets to play ;-)
>>>
>>> --Tony
>>>
>>>  On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
>>>
>>>> A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday
>>>> and maybe
>>>> some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.
>>>> Pigstye.net
>>>> was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is
>>>> propagated
>>>> the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures
>>>> me that
>>>> geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net
>>>> is
>>>> still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the 
>>>> real
>>>> reason
>>>> for this email.
>>>>
>>>> So Tony,
>>>>
>>>> Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?
>>>> Tell me so
>>>> and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is 
>>>> issue
>>>> a
>>>> request for theme developers to join gplugs.
>>>>
>>>> Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or
>>>> does it
>>>> need a push also?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Willett
>>>> tomw at pigstye.net
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who 
>>> don't
>>> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>>>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>>>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>>>                     --Unknown
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>
>>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Simon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>
> -- 
> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>                     --Unknown
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>
>
Sincerely,
Simon



From tony at tonybibbs.com  Fri Feb 28 22:14:37 2003
From: tony at tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:14:37 -0600
Subject: [geeklog-devel] Combining Gplugs and Geeklog.net
In-Reply-To: <304D41A0-4B6A-11D7-9A20-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
References: <304D41A0-4B6A-11D7-9A20-003065C030F2@marelina.com>
Message-ID: <3E60259D.6050905@tonybibbs.com>

WTF? You aren't one already?

Simon Lord wrote:
> Well, I have to design a full scale corporate website to use as a 
> sample.  I may have a few clients willing to pay a few grand for a GL 
> site setup internally or as their main web presence.  What I can do is 
> make *that* demo site the GL main site and kill two birds at once.
> 
> Objections?  I should be starting this within a few weeks at most.  I'm 
> almost done the current one.... ;P
> 
> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:58 PM, Tony Bibbs wrote:
> 
>> Well both but specifically gl.net ;-)
>>
>> --Tony
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Simon Lord wrote:
>>
>>> To what are we referring?  Geeklog.net?  Or IOWA?  I can do both,  I
>>> have more free time coming up as all my contracts are finalized and
>>> there is a large pool of nothingness on the horizon - kinda bleak but
>>> nothing I can do about that I guess.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you want, I'm still working on the other theme and
>>> finding out lots of stuff about integrating geeklog themes with
>>> multiple modules (and 4images which isn't a module).
>>>
>>> Damn, themeing geeklog isn't as easy as it used to be!
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Tony Bibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can get the forum installed this weekend.  Simon, how long before you
>>>> think you can start in on a theme?  I think before we get too far I'd
>>>> like
>>>> to see us do a diagram of the sitemap we want.  Or do we feel we don't
>>>> need it?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I think you can proceed with the gplugs gl.net intergration.  I'll
>>>> draft an article for the homepage that outlines all this to make sure
>>>> I'm
>>>> not miscommunicating any changes.
>>>>
>>>> Wife and kid are out this weekend so guess who gets to play ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --Tony
>>>>
>>>>  On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tom Willett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A hiccup in my dns service caused me to loose some email yesterday
>>>>> and maybe
>>>>> some still today so I do not know if I missed anything here.
>>>>> Pigstye.net
>>>>> was dropped from the root servers for 8 hours.  The way dns is
>>>>> propagated
>>>>> the outage locally can range from nothing to 48 hours.  (Dig assures
>>>>> me that
>>>>> geeklog.net knows me.)  If email to me bounced try again pigstye.net
>>>>> is
>>>>> still alive.  If I missed something here tell me.  Now on to the real
>>>>> reason
>>>>> for this email.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Tony,
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we go ahead with the combining of Gplugs and Geeklog.net?
>>>>> Tell me so
>>>>> and I will push it to completion.  The first thing I will do is issue
>>>>> a
>>>>> request for theme developers to join gplugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there progress on the reworking of the geeklog.net website?  Or
>>>>> does it
>>>>> need a push also?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tom Willett
>>>>> tomw at pigstye.net
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
>>>> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>>>>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>>>>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>>>>                     --Unknown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tony Bibbs          "I guess you have to remember that those who don't
>> tony at tonybibbs.com  hunt or fish often see those of us who do as
>>                     harmlessly strange and sort of amusing. When you
>>                     think about it, that might be a fair assessment."
>>                     --Unknown
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> geeklog-devel mailing list
>> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
>> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel
>>
>>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> geeklog-devel mailing list
> geeklog-devel at lists.geeklog.net
> http://lists.geeklog.net/listinfo/geeklog-devel


-- 
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|Tony Bibbs         |[R]egardless of what you may think of our penal   |
|tony at tonybibbs.com |system, the fact is that every man in jail is one |
|                   |less potential fisherman to clutter up your       |
|                   |favorite pool or pond. --Ed Zern                  | 

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